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25nl played correctly against unknown fish.. or? 25nl played correctly against unknown fish.. or?

03-20-2011 , 10:09 PM
    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25, $0.05 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

    SB: $69.81 (279.2 bb)
    BB: $21.45 (85.8 bb)
    MP1: $33.33 (133.3 bb) >>> Unknown 1 tabler fish 67/0 over 6 hands lol
    MP2: $22.45 (89.8 bb)
    MP3: $59.68 (238.7 bb)
    Hero (CO): $62.50 (250 bb)
    BTN: $91.80 (367.2 bb)

    Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with T 9
    MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, 2 folds, BB calls $1, MP1 calls $1, MP3 calls $1

    I don't mind going ISOing being IP multiway with a SC, seems like a great spot to do it.

    Flop: ($5.45) 9 7 7 (4 players)
    BB checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $4.25, BB folds, MP1 calls $4.25, MP3 folds

    I'm unsure I sized this correctly, I want to charge flush draws as much as I can but at the same time, I only get called with by better 9s and maybe Pocket 88s, I don't mind taking the pot down as it is so instead of 4.25 should I have bet something like 3.25 for pot control?

    Turn: ($13.95) 3 (2 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero bets $8.50, MP1 calls $8.50

    We get a blank and MP1 checks again, I think MP1 takes this exact line with flush draws and a 7 and a better 9. So is betting still correct here?

    We're obviously folding to any sort of raise or pressure, so should my size be a bit smaller in case i do get c/r when has the 7?

    I get called by better hands and worse hands in this spot... so better to check back.. or not?

    River: ($30.95) 3 (2 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero checks

    He missed his flush if was drawing and isn't going to call a bet with worse now, however it feels like I essentially bloated up a pot with a really mediocre hand.

    If he donked any amount on the river I would be forced to fold as I don't believe an unknown fish is doing this with a weaker hand.

    I made this pot less than 1SPR on the river so.. feels like I did something wrong?

    Any help on any of the questions I asked would be much appreciated.

    Thanks.

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    03-20-2011 , 10:12 PM
    not a huge fan of your iso. The rest of the hand seems to make sense
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    03-20-2011 , 10:20 PM
    well played
    cept flop sizing seems a bit big
    i prefer 3.50$ because this is multiway
    if this was headsup against the fish on the flop, you can even bet as big as pot...
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    03-20-2011 , 10:49 PM
    I like every street and your betsizing. Well played.
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    03-20-2011 , 11:09 PM
    Not a fan of pre too
    Its exactly this type of situation why I don't like isoing fish with middle SC. Alot of their calling range consists of middle SCs.
    I be much more confident with A9.
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    03-20-2011 , 11:15 PM
    I'm not good with weak aces, especially multiway. Also I would never ISO with A9o. But A9s I might as it's ahead of their limping range.
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    03-20-2011 , 11:22 PM
    The late great lengthy iso spam with Ax and Kx. Its worth it incorporating it into your game.
    I myself dont do KXo, not as good as him.
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    03-20-2011 , 11:25 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sexdotcom
    The late great lengthy iso spam with Ax and Kx. Its worth it incorporating it into your game.
    I myself dont do KXo, not as good as him.
    We talkin' any A multiway with fish? Seems like I get messed up whenever the fish has got an A as well with better kicker.
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    03-21-2011 , 01:48 AM
    My strategy with AX hands vs a fish is...
    Missed flop, cbet once and give up.
    Axx flop, check the flop and get value from his 2nd pairs or call his bluffs on later streets. The weaker my kicker, more I am inclined to check the flop. Ofcos with AK we bomb away and try to stack his AQ.
    TPTK flops, cbet to get value from his weaker TP hands.

    rinse & repeat
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    03-21-2011 , 02:24 AM
    I'd rather add another BB to your raise preflop personally. I think the hand as played is fine.
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    03-21-2011 , 02:27 AM
    Looks fine to me. Wp.
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    03-21-2011 , 04:15 AM
    t-9s in a 250bb game is one of the best hands you can see and iso raising here all day.... bet sizing otf abit big but other than that you played it fine

    p.s what he show up with?
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    03-21-2011 , 08:42 AM
    Spoiler:
    Results: $30.95 pot ($1.51 rake)
    Final Board: 9 7 7 3 3
    MP1 showed 3 4 and won $29.44 ($15.39 net)
    Hero mucked T 9 and lost (-$14.05 net)

    Of course he runners 3s instead of a flush


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sexdotcom
    My strategy with AX hands vs a fish is...
    Missed flop, cbet once and give up.
    Axx flop, check the flop and get value from his 2nd pairs or call his bluffs on later streets. The weaker my kicker, more I am inclined to check the flop. Ofcos with AK we bomb away and try to stack his AQ.
    TPTK flops, cbet to get value from his weaker TP hands.

    rinse & repeat

    Thanks for the help guys, and I'll probably start trying to add that to my game sexdotcom and see how it works .
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    03-21-2011 , 08:58 AM
    I think preflop is fine, but I'd keep my betsizes near 60% PSB (little too large OTF), but good/solid thought process nonetheless. NH.
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    03-21-2011 , 09:12 AM
    Preflop is meh, i like overlimping in these situations more than isolating, especially when there are already two limpers in the pot. Vs one limper i don't mind a isolation raise, because we can take both lines of overlimping and raising without making a mistake. But if there are two limpers, we most likely end in a multiway pot with a draw or a weak TP hand, also these guys like to limp with alot of Axs, Kx and Qxs hands, which dominate our flushes...

    As played your postflop line is fine, for the reasons you stated yourself.
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    03-21-2011 , 02:52 PM
    I'd prefer to limp along on this one with T9s, bc there are two limpers already and given how deep you are with MP3. Generally, with 2+ limpers, I am focusing my iso's on hands with better TP potential. Also, I'd like an extra 1-2bb on the pre betsize. I don't know how everyone else feels but I never iso for less than 6bb.

    As played, I like your flop bet. You've got a vulnerable TP with little chance of improving ... MW, I really don't want to get called here or at least not by more than one opponent.

    Turn bet is perfect since you are now HU and it's enough to charge the draws.
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    03-21-2011 , 03:24 PM
    looks fine to me
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    03-21-2011 , 06:50 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by di0d80
    Spoiler:
    Results: $30.95 pot ($1.51 rake)
    Final Board: 9 7 7 3 3
    MP1 showed 3 4 and won $29.44 ($15.39 net)
    Hero mucked T 9 and lost (-$14.05 net)

    Of course he runners 3s instead of a flush





    Thanks for the help guys, and I'll probably start trying to add that to my game sexdotcom and see how it works .
    why do you think you played this bad when you bet flop and turn ahead? His showdown pretty much confirms that you are ahead of his range on those streets.
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    03-21-2011 , 08:19 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by K40cheddar
    why do you think you played this bad when you bet flop and turn ahead? His showdown pretty much confirms that you are ahead of his range on those streets.
    Never made a pot this big with a hand like this and I felt making it so big with my type of hand was... wrong?

    Glad I played it right.
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    03-22-2011 , 04:08 AM
    It's not wrong if it's better than the other guy's hand.
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    03-22-2011 , 08:00 AM
    It's not wrong ..........
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