PokerStars - $0.25 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Villain was a new player, currently have him at 8 out of 37 hands VPIP, all raises.

BTN: $28.09
SB: $25.00
BB: $43.28
UTG: $28.32
UTG+1: $14.01
MP: $27.81
MP+1: $25.00
Hero (CO): $25.32

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, MP raises to $0.75, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, fold, fold, fold, MP raises to $4.50, Hero calls $2.00

Flop: ($9.35, 2 players) 8 9 7
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($9.35, 2 players) 7
MP bets $6.00, Hero calls $6.00

River: ($21.35, 2 players) 4
MP bets $17.31 and is all-in, Hero ?

Why did you 3bet pre?

Why did you check flop?

I 3-bet QQ for value because it is almost always the best hand. And I am a pretty aggressive preflop player in general so I never flat big pairs against a single raise.

After he 4-bet me I was concerned because that doesn't happen very often and usually people have strong hands when they 4-bet. The flop wasn't terrible but he could have hit a set or straight draw withi a lower pair. And of course he could still have AA/KK. My plan was if a bad card like an A, K, J, or T came on the turn and he bet, I would fold to any significant bet.

Errrr...Wrong answer.

You never flat big pairs against a single raise??? That's a HUGE leak.

Vs an unknown in position I prefer a flat vs a 3bet.

So you think he is 4betting you with 77/88/99 - your obviously not thinking about rangings correctly and are contradicting yourself. I'd say more like AKo/AKs/QQ/KK/AA. Think about it...If villain is unknown to you, you are unknown to him so why would he get out of line?

If you're PLANNING to call a turn bet I think I b/f the flop and give up myself. But that's up for debate.

hope this helps.

Is playing 15/13 preflop a huge leak? Honest question, I'm just asking because I think it would be pretty hard to continue playing that if I flatted raises with big pairs with any kind of regularity, let alone as a "preferred" choice.

As for his hand range, the 4-bet is pretty small so those hands are possible. But even if he has those hands then he will have other hands which I am beating that balances it out.

Would you call a flop bet of $6? Go allin? If not, should I just be folding to the 4-bet preflop?

Serious answer, calling vs raising with QQ is really villain dependent. Vs a 10/9 over 500 hands...maybe not a good idea...vs a 24/23 go ahead and 3bet/call and you probably won't get much argument.

This guy is a ****** and most villains who bet like this usually do it b/c they think " let me 4bet my AA/KK, but not big enough were they fold"

I definitely call pre here given the odds but I am not willing to put up much resistance post.

No I would not call a $6 flop bet here. Your beating TT/JJ/AK and are miles behind everything else...And you have no clue whether villain will 4bet those hands pre.

15/13 is fine, but so is 15/12 which is where you might end up by adding in some flat calls with QQ-JJ.

Also, don't worry about your vpip/pfr stats, just worry about making good decisions, the stats take care of themselves.

This.

Villain checked the flop and bet the turn, which makes this a much tougher decision imo. If we are calling the turn we pretty much have to call a river shove and pray for AK/air. It's pretty close, I am leaning towards a fold.

Thanks for the replies. I am starting to flat big pairs a little more (10-15%) so I'll see how it turns out.

Results:

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $28.09
SB: $25.00
BB: $43.28
UTG: $28.32
UTG+1: $14.01
MP: $27.81
MP+1: $25.00
Hero (CO): $25.32

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, MP raises to $0.75, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, fold, fold, fold, MP raises to $4.50, Hero calls $2.00

Flop: ($9.35, 2 players) 8 9 7
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($9.35, 2 players) 7
MP bets $6.00, Hero calls $6.00

River: ($21.35, 2 players) 4
MP bets $17.31 and is all-in, Hero calls $14.82 and is all-in

MP shows A T (One Pair, Sevens) (PreFlop 33%, Flop 39%, Turn 25%)
Hero shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Sevens) (PreFlop 67%, Flop 61%, Turn 75%)
Hero wins $48.99

grunch.... without fold to 3b, 4bet range etc stats over a wide sample im not 3betting qq in position as a default personally... btw 77-99 is all possible in somebody 4bet blufing range but we dont even know if he has one which is another reason why the 3bet is just awkward, as played i call him down but i would flat pre or shove over his 4bet if i was 3betting for value in the first place

grunch:
the 3b pre feels odd, but only because you clam up after the 4b/call and proceed to valuetown yourself on a wet wet board (assuming you call and get beat).

you're in position, versus pretty much an unknown. i like a 3b here versus an unknown IF your intention is to narrow villain's range enough to make a better decision on the flop. i don't think that's a horrible reason to 3b. if 4b, you can call and setmine the flop, feeling find about letting it go to aggression if you whiff. if flatted and villain checks an undercard board, you can probably b/f to a checkraise, or try to keep the pot small if called and no more scare cards hit the turn or river.


as played, lately i have been calling these but have since started flicking myself in the testicle every time i do. hoping i'll eventually stop due to the Pavlovian response, since these spots have cost me many buyins in 2011. at 25's, we're almost never good here.