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[25NL LIVE] Top two facing turn shove [25NL LIVE] Top two facing turn shove

06-25-2010 , 09:40 AM
Hey mates.

Played a hand live yesterday, table dynamic is loose with a lot of limping pre, fmaily pots (7 handed) aren't uncommon, and each flop is at least seen by 3 people when raised (at least 5 when unraised).

Well, here's the hand. I'll try to develop my thought process here given villain which i have been playing against for 9 months now.

Preflop :

Villain limps UTG, I overlimp UTG+1 with KJ, 4 more players call (including the BB).

People love to play Ax and Kx especially when suited, and always play the old J8 or whatever, as long as it's cheap and not too unconnected. I figured my position was pretty bad given the hand and i'd be better off keeping all those dominated hands in the pot because they just can't fold postflop.
Flop (1.5$) : KJ9
Two checks, UTG bets 1$, I raise to 3.25, 4 folds, UTG raises to 8.25 (with 16$ behind), I call.

Not too thrilled about the 3bet because people never 3bet draws and anyways board is pretty dry (only draws are some kind of pairs + gutshot and he'd never 3b with those OOP).

I figured his range to be [99,QT,K9,J9,KJ].

Turn (18$) : 8
UTG shoves 16$ and I cover.

The 8 is a pretty safe cards since it completes no draw and changes nothing to our equity unless he held something like KQdd.

I still pretty much hate life cause villain is definitely a bit "decent" compared to all the other players in this game (even know he's still pretty bad).

Thing is he might be overvalueing his hand not seeing he's overrepresenting J9/K9, but I figured there's a bigger chance he has 99 or QT (he'd never fold those hands preflop even utg, and he might raise 99 sometimes but mostly not).

Thoughts ?
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06-25-2010 , 09:46 AM
Once you call the flop raise, you're committed - you can't fold on a blank turn like that to a less than pot sized all-in bet.

I probably just shove on the flop. Get it in against lower 2pairs and KQ, etc. If it's a set or straight, sick, but that's poker.
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06-25-2010 , 11:12 AM
yeah don't 3bet the flop if your not looking to 5bet shove there

easy call on turn
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06-25-2010 , 11:23 AM
I didn't 3bet the flop, I raised for value and for protection purposes since every1 on this table would have called the 1$ bet with a T or Q or even a 9/J whatever.

The 3bet OTF scared me tbh, it's kinda unusual in this game unless they have it (or have what they think is the nuts)

That's my main concern, K9/J9 shouldn't 3bet OTF (imo) but he might be overvaluing those hands.
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06-25-2010 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by beHypE
I didn't 3bet the flop, I raised for value and for protection purposes since every1 on this table would have called the 1$ bet with a T or Q or even a 9/J whatever.

The 3bet OTF scared me tbh, it's kinda unusual in this game unless they have it (or have what they think is the nuts)

That's my main concern, K9/J9 shouldn't 3bet OTF (imo) but he might be overvaluing those hands.
If you're absolutely certain he has you beat based on reads, then fold on flop after he re-pops you. Otherwise, if you think your hand is still good enough of the time to call, then the best move is to just go all in.
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06-25-2010 , 12:27 PM
Raise flop ~$4 and either fold or shove to 3-bet, his probably never bluffing here and its a WA/WB most of the time.
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