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25nl - KK and i'm lost. 25nl - KK and i'm lost.

02-05-2009 , 07:03 PM
CO in hand is 19/8 2.8 over 155 hands.
SB is 35/19 over 26 hands.

i chose not to raise the flop because its relatively dry and i wanted to get more action from the CO. I took SB's checkraise of the flop as a lot of strength, but then im confused by his turn check. to be honest, i'm also confused by CO's bet sizing. any comments on the hand are appreicated.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 29799
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SB: $25.00
BB: $55.05
UTG: $27.00
CO: $89.70
Hero (BTN): $41.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with K K
1 fold, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, SB calls $1.15, 1 fold, CO calls $1

Flop: ($4.00) J 4 3 (3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $1.25, Hero calls $1.25, SB raises to $4, CO calls $2.75, Hero calls $2.75

Turn: ($16.00) 5 (3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $4, Hero raises to $20, SB folds, CO calls $16

River: ($56.00) 4 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $15.75 all in, CO calls $15.75


Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 29799
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $25.00
BB: $55.05
UTG: $27.00
CO: $89.70
Hero (BTN): $41.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with K K
1 fold, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, SB calls $1.15, 1 fold, CO calls $1

Flop: ($4.00) J 4 3 (3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $1.25, Hero calls $1.25, SB raises to $4, CO calls $2.75, Hero calls $2.75

Turn: ($16.00) 5 (3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $4, Hero raises to $20, SB folds, CO calls $16

River: ($56.00) 4 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $15.75 all in, CO calls $15.75
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02-05-2009 , 07:12 PM
y u raise turn if ur not raising flop?
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02-05-2009 , 07:14 PM
Why raise turn when possible draws get there + board gets uglier instead of flop
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02-05-2009 , 07:18 PM
I don't really like the call on the flop, if you'd raised and SB had 3bet, then your decision's a little easier. The c/r doesn't show too much strength, especially from someone playing 35/19. I think a lot of his range is TPGK here, trying to "find out where he is". I'd probably shove turn, you're committed on the river anyway. I don't think i'm getting away from this either fwiw.
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02-05-2009 , 07:20 PM
With such strong hole cards, I would not try and trap. I'd want to dominate the betting and get as much in pre flop and then on the flop as possible.
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02-05-2009 , 07:28 PM
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I'd probably shove turn, you're committed on the river anyway.
really? we're playing pretty deep stacked.
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02-05-2009 , 07:49 PM
I probably raise/fold this flop. As played I'd call down turn and river even fold on SB re raise.
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02-05-2009 , 08:46 PM
I think you should just play this hand a little more straightforward and raise flop for value, his lead was very tiny. If he comes over the top though, then you may be in trouble, and it may be time to fold.

I think HU IP you might be in a better position to flat the $1.25 bet, but because it's 3 way you want to try and isolate and exploit your equity edge I think. If you raise and the dude behind you stays in the hand by either calling or raising again then you need to be careful on the turn + river about not necessarily stacking off.
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02-05-2009 , 09:02 PM
Just get it in on flop, turn isn't the worst card in the deck becuase I think as played villains hand is either a set already or a worse hand like QJ-AJ, I think I even like the river shove since he didn't shove turn and we can assume he'd shove any set on the turn and dones't have AA given pre action.
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02-05-2009 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ian_95
I probably raise/fold this flop. As played I'd call down turn and river even fold on SB re raise.
+1

You don't have to make a giant raise (a raise to $4-5ish would be good IMO), but you want to raise this flop for two reasons:

1) First, to get more value from CO. Chances are he's donking the flop with a jack (or possibly a str8 draw from 56s), and you want to build a medium-sized pot with him. You should bet small enough on the turn for him to call, but large enough to get sufficient value, around 2/3rds pot. However given his stats I would check behind river since he could very well be one of the tricky trappy players trying to suck you in with a set and you really don't want to be check raised on the river.

2) Second, you want to see if you're beat. If the SB raises over a donkbet and a raise it's an easy fold. If the CO 3bets you then it's an easy fold. If the CO calls your flop raise then shows aggression on the turn (strong donk or check raise) it's an easy fold.
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02-05-2009 , 10:55 PM
call turn call river if you're not getting it in on the flop I think....
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02-05-2009 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ian_95
I probably raise/fold this flop. As played I'd call down turn and river even fold on SB re raise.
you'd seriously consider folding on the flop?
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02-06-2009 , 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyLove
you'd seriously consider folding on the flop?
your hand is unrepped and SB c/r over 2 peoples and show a lot of strengh. If he raised bigger I'd insta muck it as played !
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02-06-2009 , 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by some_dude
+1

You don't have to make a giant raise (a raise to $4-5ish would be good IMO), but you want to raise this flop for two reasons:

1) First, to get more value from CO. Chances are he's donking the flop with a jack (or possibly a str8 draw from 56s), and you want to build a medium-sized pot with him. You should bet small enough on the turn for him to call, but large enough to get sufficient value, around 2/3rds pot. However given his stats I would check behind river since he could very well be one of the tricky trappy players trying to suck you in with a set and you really don't want to be check raised on the river.

2) Second, you want to see if you're beat. If the SB raises over a donkbet and a raise it's an easy fold. If the CO 3bets you then it's an easy fold. If the CO calls your flop raise then shows aggression on the turn (strong donk or check raise) it's an easy fold.
A raise here should be strictly for value and not for "information" imo...
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