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25NL K-high flush on a 4 to a flush board. 25NL K-high flush on a 4 to a flush board.

02-10-2014 , 12:46 PM
Hey guys,
Can we ever call here ? we are completely readless. Would anyone be raising a Q here for value? or even bluffing?

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

Button ($25)
SB ($25.10)
Hero (BB) ($28.40)
UTG ($29.81)
MP ($29.76)
CO ($25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, K
1 fold, MP raises to $0.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.10) 5, 9, 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($1.10) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, MP calls $0.75

River: ($2.60) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, MP raises to $6.50, Hero ???
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02-10-2014 , 12:50 PM
Bet smaller otr, better for your range

As played call
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02-10-2014 , 12:59 PM
You can 3b pre sometimes with your blockers depending on his ft3b etc.

Yeah smaller otr, can't see nfd going x then call ott and if he dd he's pretty bad so it's a snap.
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02-10-2014 , 01:00 PM
$2ish would have been better on the river.

You can't fold here, while it seems implausible that villan would raise anything but the a hearts we still have to call to avoid being completly exploitable. Its really hard to explain (in my view) why we have to call here without just trotting out tired old cliche's but basically we have the 2nd nuts, villan can possibly be bluffing. If we are bet folding this board with any frequency (which we should be) then villan should be bluff raising with a decent frequency also meaning we need to call wider when villan raises.

It basically all comes down to gto theory, and im sure someone else can articulate this better, but at nl25 you can't fold this.
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02-10-2014 , 01:07 PM
Sizing is really bad here as stated. It makes villain less likely to bluff and turns our hand almost face up (big going for value)
If there's ever a hand we can call for information, i think this could be one. Would expect him to cbet A, he might be clicking buttons with weaker flush.
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02-10-2014 , 01:08 PM
fold after that sizing you made otr
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02-10-2014 , 01:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ronrabbit
$2ish would have been better on the river.

You can't fold here, while it seems implausible that villan would raise anything but the a hearts we still have to call to avoid being completly exploitable. Its really hard to explain (in my view) why we have to call here without just trotting out tired old cliche's but basically we have the 2nd nuts, villan can possibly be bluffing. If we are bet folding this board with any frequency (which we should be) then villan should be bluff raising with a decent frequency also meaning we need to call wider when villan raises.

It basically all comes down to gto theory, and im sure someone else can articulate this better, but at nl25 you can't fold this.
why even mention gto here?
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02-10-2014 , 01:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartimC
fold after that sizing you made otr
How can you fold here? He doesn't need to have a Qh/Jh all that often for this to be a good call.
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02-10-2014 , 01:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by A_Schupick
How can you fold here? He doesn't need to have a Qh/Jh all that often for this to be a good call.
because vs that size is obviously not raising Qh/Jh and he almost never bluffs, because our range with that size is polarized with nuts or air, so yeah it's a fold
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02-10-2014 , 01:30 PM
Why would villain raise the river with Qh? Doesn't make sense to me. Villain plays his hand superface up. I almost fold Qh in his shoes and now he raises!

I think i bet/fold smaller on river.
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02-10-2014 , 01:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartimC
because vs that size is obviously not raising Qh/Jh and he almost never bluffs, because our range with that size is polarized with nuts or air, so yeah it's a fold
Quote:
Originally Posted by suprguard
Why would villain raise the river with Qh? Doesn't make sense to me. Villain plays his hand superface up. I almost fold Qh in his shoes and now he raises!

I think i bet/fold smaller on river.
That's a large assumption to make readless.
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02-10-2014 , 01:50 PM
no its not
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02-10-2014 , 01:57 PM
There aren't many Ah combos with which villain a) opens MP and b) doesn't cbet. Definitely never a fold - we don't need him to bluff often to make this a call.
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02-10-2014 , 02:59 PM
River is a b/f, villain doesn't have a bluffing range here and we can't discount the nuts in his range just bc he took what would be an awful line with the Ah.
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02-10-2014 , 03:13 PM
Villain has Axhh more often than Ahxo

I'm not folding but one probably should. Sane uNL players don't bluff at that spot and his valuerange is Ah only. And he should not have a heart or a pair after he called the turn bet.

Last edited by lumileijona; 02-10-2014 at 03:33 PM.
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02-10-2014 , 03:21 PM
this is a very ez fold , after the sizing we made otr
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