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02-04-2010 , 09:57 PM

phos77

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readless, rush poker.
in theory if i'm going to be folding to the 4bet should i just flat? or do people flat my 3bet enough with worse/not have to play JJ OOP to make 3bet/folding the better plan?

Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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CO: $28.69
BTN: $61.03
Hero (SB): $49.86
BB: $25.00
UTG: $25.00
MP: $27.44

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with J

1 fold, MP raises to $0.85, CO calls $0.85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.75, 1 fold, MP raises to $27.44 all in, 2 folds

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02-04-2010 , 11:53 PM

mojo6911

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I have been in this situation 3x in rush and it has been KK 2x and AA 1x. I probably just setmine here.

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02-04-2010 , 11:55 PM

aggo

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lol

no way can you ever fold this in rush

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02-05-2010 , 03:00 PM

phos77

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Originally Posted by aggo

lol

no way can you ever fold this in rush

wat? are you serious?

just because it's rush doesn't mean people are going crazy, in my experience on the whole they're pretty nitty, especially with 3betting/4betting. if i call i'm praying to see AK.

just wondering if 3bet/folding is worse than flatting in general.

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02-05-2010 , 03:01 PM

Maxaon

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I find that 3 bet folding is better than calling. The reason is that people call 3 bets too light but don't 4 bet bluff. This way you're isolating yourself with a strong hand against a weak range while getting away cheaply from their nut range.

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02-05-2010 , 04:23 PM

Comstizzle

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yeh im 3bet/folding this. ur hoping for a flip at best and i think the majority of villains flat with AK.

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02-05-2010 , 04:34 PM

hobbes05

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i wouldnt 3bet if youre just going to fold to his shove

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02-05-2010 , 05:37 PM

Maxaon

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Originally Posted by hobbes05

i wouldnt 3bet if youre just going to fold to his shove

Why not? You think he's shoving worse?

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02-05-2010 , 05:44 PM

curly86

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Originally Posted by Comstizzle

yeh im 3bet/folding this. ur hoping for a flip at best and i think the majority of villains flat with AK.

lots of villains get it in with Ak here

I hate 3b/f JJ in general, especially when I squeeze. I dont play rush so not sure of the dynamic, but I think probably 3b/f>call>3b/c against a complete unknown at 25NL

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02-05-2010 , 06:06 PM

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RaiseDaAce

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Originally Posted by Maxaon

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02-05-2010 , 06:23 PM

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Stackajawea

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if CO hadn't called I think flatting is better but we should definitely be squeezing here for value and folding to MP's 4bet.

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02-05-2010 , 07:19 PM

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hobbes05

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Originally Posted by Maxaon

Why not? You think he's shoving worse?

i think it turns jj into a bluff. This is especilly true for the people at these stakes that either 4 bet or fold pf. If this villain calls a lot of 3bets and only 4 bets AA and KK then i would 3 bet/fold.

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