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25NL:  JJ facing tight players EP raise, while still in EP......no EV or -EV? 25NL:  JJ facing tight players EP raise, while still in EP......no EV or -EV?

10-11-2008 , 12:23 PM
Can't see this spot being profitable......someone picking up something like AK in LP would make it so I don't even see the flop.

On top of that I don't see getting the entire raisers stack even if the flop comes J82 and he has AA, as he's 15/11/2.76 and has been playing solid as hell.

Can you actually fold this?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($14.75)
BB ($16.60)
UTG ($54.95)
UTG+1 ($25.60)
MP1 ($24.65)
Hero ($36.20)
MP3 ($14.35)
CO ($4.65)
Button ($6.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[], J[].
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $1.25, Hero calls $1.25, 5 folds, UTG calls $1.

Flop: ($4.10) 4[], Q[], 2[] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 bets $2, Hero folds, UTG calls $2.

Turn: ($8.10) 4[] (2 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks.

River: ($8.10) 3[] (2 players)
UTG bets $3, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: $11.10
25NL:  JJ facing tight players EP raise, while still in EP......no EV or -EV? Quote
10-11-2008 , 12:34 PM
why are you so scared with an UTG limper? I definately at least call preflop, if not raise. I'm not going away on the flop eithier as his entire range is c-betting here (a large portion of which you beat). If you're that scared bump it up to $6 and find out where you are immediately. Personally I'd float and try to get him to bluff at it again. UTG call would trouble me a bit. On the turn, I don't see the value in betting as you're folding out everything you beat and everything that beats you continues. You claim UTG is a solid player but his limp/call pre, c/c on flop, c turn, and 1/3 pot river would beg to differ. He made the minimum if he actually had a set, which is what he apparently is repping. I would probably call that river given pot odds and the chance that he was trying to take it down when nobody showed any interest in the pot.
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10-11-2008 , 12:55 PM
You should be 3-betting Preflop for value vs both villians ranges.

1. You have a utg limper - range suited aces, weak Ace broadways, small pps suited broadway.
2. You have a middle position raise All AK AQ SUited AJs and A10 and ALL PP +KQs and sometimes some higher ended Suited connectors
JJ Plays very well vs both ranges. And you will have positional advantage and pot intiative. If you get 4-bet shoved by UTG Limp reraiser its probably fold because you are more than 100bb deep , If you get 4-bet shoved by MP1 it is a fold.

You should be 3-betting to around 12bb and c-betting on 90% of boards around 3/4 pot. Which will be between 18bb to 28bb depending on multiway or not. Your plan is to play for stacks if you hit your jack, extract dead money c-betting on Ace Boards, and value betting the non- TAG on paired boards. You should most likely give the pot up without a minimum of an overpair and str8 draw to any resistance.
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10-11-2008 , 12:56 PM
3 bet pre, call flop
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