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10-11-2008 , 06:27 PM

waldo027

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Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BB: $23.20
UTG: $23.15
Hero (MP): $27.15
CO: $20.70
BTN: $10.10
SB: $19.50

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with J

UTG raises to $0.85, Hero raises to $2.90, 3 folds, BB calls $2.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($6.75) 4

(2 players)
BB bets $6.75, Hero.....

Villian's stats were 30/12 over 93 hands. Should I just get it in on this flop after 3-betting PF?

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10-11-2008 , 06:41 PM

Ksight3

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That's quite the weird line
[edit] actually i'm not sure wut i do here hmm

[edit 2] i prob ship this flop.
6 is not in his range,
44 is a very minute portion of his range, and betting pot with dat hand is rly strange.

I do see villains do this with higher pp's tho

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10-11-2008 , 07:14 PM

PipChip

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Theres no donkbet here???? Isnt a donkbet a stupid small bet like 1/10 pot type thing.

This is a wonderfull flop for your hand, minus flopping a J what beter flop are you hoping for??? SHIP IT

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10-11-2008 , 07:51 PM

lv^Fighter

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i like calling flop because we can make money from hands like lower pps and bluff
reevaluate turn, if he bets again i would fold.. but maybe i am just weak tight )

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10-11-2008 , 07:56 PM

rollllon

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Yeah I don't see why we would want to raise this. You'll almost always either fold out or shut down every hand that you beat, so only AA/KK and trips will stay if you raise. Just call him down.

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10-11-2008 , 07:58 PM

sixlegs

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Originally Posted by PipChip

Theres no donkbet here???? Isnt a donkbet a stupid small bet like 1/10 pot type thing.

donk betting is leading into the prf raiser.

anyway, assuming villain shoves his remaining his remaining ~13 on the turn, we're probably calling anyway. why would we not just get it in here. if a rag peels on the turn, we're still getting in behind QQ, etc. i can't see us getting away from this hand anyway, so why not just shove now when we have a tiny bit of fe? somebody please explain.

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10-11-2008 , 08:05 PM

rollllon

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Originally Posted by sixlegs

Why do we want FE? A hand that could beat us isn't going to fold anyways.. we would only have FE against the hands we beat. So I don't see why we would want to shove the flop.. as you said, we'll be getting it in anyways. Just let him bet the turn/river and call him down.

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10-11-2008 , 09:46 PM

Genesis

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I'd shove it in on flop for value. He'll be hard pressed to fold some overpairs < JJ. This could also be a desperate attempt w/AK just hoping you missed the board. The pot is bigger than our stack if we call, so I see no reason why we should bother letting him see the turn. If we flat call the flop our range appears to be almost exclusively PPs anyway.

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10-11-2008 , 10:17 PM

waldo027

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If I had AA-KK i would shove the flop, no doubt. But I'm just worried about people who like to just call the 3bet PF with AA-QQ and then "trap" their opponent on the flop.

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