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03-01-2011 , 12:29 AM

CrazyNL

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guy is 33/11 in 9 hands
how do we play turn and river of we hit? call ?
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NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($8.50)
BB ($27.25)
UTG ($40.56)
UTG+1 ($36.50)
Hero ($32.75)
MP1 ($25.35)
MP2 ($28.96)
CO ($23.45)
BTN ($10.76)

Dealt to Hero Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to $1, fold, fold, CO calls $1, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($2.35) 6

Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50

TURN ($5.35) 6

Hero bets $3.75, CO raises to $7.50, Hero ????

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03-01-2011 , 12:49 AM

flip2win

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fold

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03-01-2011 , 01:02 AM

Imagy

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Uhm vs a total random who looks fishy I'm not going to assume he's running some random bluff here and folding if we jam often enough to make this profitable.

Folding is absolutely horrible, your pot equity is far too good... never mind any implied odds especially on a J and sometimes on a Ad.

So call.

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03-01-2011 , 01:48 AM

ashipsomewhere

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def a call and when you hit you laugh to yourself and go what a moron for min raising me with his two pair or set.

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03-01-2011 , 07:35 AM

AlexB182

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call, ship J's and diamonds.

c/decide K,Q.

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03-01-2011 , 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexB182

call, ship J's and diamonds.

c/decide K,Q.

This. Keep in mind that if our bad opponents want to give us the right price, playing draws passively with the intent of getting paid off by a bad player when we hit is an option. (If we are getting the right price) This comes up a decent amount vs fish as they will make insanely small raises, but arent folding enough to justify semibluffs.

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03-01-2011 , 07:41 AM

Bladesman87

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Originally Posted by flip2win

fold

Sick level?

Raising gets us all in as a dog. Calling means we only have to get a decent bet out of him to be right and plenty of times we stand a chance to win a stack.

This is assuming that villains min-raise is a typically strong one, but occasionally they do this and turn up with a lol hand, in which case we have K and Q outs in the small chance he has a pair hand he wants to check back on the river.

But come on, he's 33/11, so most likely he hit something he's got an erection over and is never folding the river.

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03-01-2011 , 09:23 AM

TJ Eckleburg12

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lol

cawlllllllllll

implied tilt when you crack his set of tens

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03-01-2011 , 12:45 PM

CrazyNL

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shoving river if we hit????

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03-01-2011 , 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexB182

call, ship J's and diamonds.

c/decide K,Q.

agreed.

would bet more on the flop, and then c/f a brick turn. as played OTF, just c/f the turn, you're not getting anything to fold and betting that amount is just wasting money.

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03-01-2011 , 01:57 PM

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Tumaterminator

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check

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03-01-2011 , 02:24 PM

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Exothermic

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check call the turn>> bet/fold or bet/call

im not bluffing fish and betting the turn is essentially just that.. either way your getting odds to call and fold a blank river but yea checkcall>> what u did vs this guy

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03-01-2011 , 02:28 PM

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straddle_me

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4:1 odds or so, need to call and then cry when he shows nut flush diamond after we shove.

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03-01-2011 , 02:34 PM

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Tumaterminator

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prob c/r turn tbh

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03-01-2011 , 02:58 PM

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di0d80

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What's wrong with betting turn? You're getting implied odds when you hit the river that you will get paid off? You also get folds a small % of the time.

c/c you don't get paid imo.

Are we not hitting/getting enough folds to justify turn barrel?

c/r turn? Could you explain why this is better than c/f or barreling?

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03-01-2011 , 05:14 PM

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TheLusty

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Originally Posted by Tumaterminator

prob c/r turn tbh

c/r flop is better, no? c/r turn after getting called OTF is making it almost a pure bluff with half the equity. Those saying c/f turn: that's awful, if you aren't leading, this is a def a c/c. I prefer leading this two streets ... besides the FE, we have a better chance of being called on a river

---> shove.

As played you must call and hope to punish the fishy min-raise which gave you such good odds.

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03-01-2011 , 05:19 PM

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Getting 5 to 1 w/ plenty greater than 20% equity = call turn and ship if you hit straight or flush.

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03-01-2011 , 08:16 PM

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SammyG-SD

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I shove

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03-01-2011 , 08:30 PM

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pokerarb

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cawl the raise, betting turn v standard

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03-01-2011 , 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerarb

cawl the raise, betting turn v standard

why? this card doesn't help our hand or our perceived range, in fact it gives villain more reason to call with nearly everything in his range.

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03-01-2011 , 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by *COINFLIPS*

why? this card doesn't help our hand or our perceived range, in fact it gives villain more reason to call with nearly everything in his range.

what are you repping if you don't bet the turn? 5 doesn't help him. All OPs and stronger hands bet the turn. Checking says "I have nothing" or "I am a big pussie and I am trying to get to showdown cheaply even though the board is wet and there is a ton of value in betting my strong hand".

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03-01-2011 , 08:48 PM

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pokerarb

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Wanna make him fold ace high, third pair, midpairs, etc

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03-01-2011 , 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SammyG-SD

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Originally Posted by pokerarb

Wanna make him fold ace high, third pair, midpairs, etc

i don't worry about repping anything vs unknowns, or vs unknowns running 33/11 over 9 hands. vs another reg, sure.

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03-01-2011 , 09:01 PM

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di0d80

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Bottom line, you don't get paid when you c/c turn when you hit flush on river.

You get folds some percentage of the time when barreling turn and get stuff like ace high/third pair and sometimes midpair like Pokerarb said.

So barreling turn seems good to me.

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03-01-2011 , 09:05 PM

#25

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imo ace high is a very very tiny % of his range. what third pair is he folding other than say A7?

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