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25NL flopped straight gets min raised on turn 25NL flopped straight gets min raised on turn

03-07-2011 , 06:04 PM
Only 20 hands on villian

47/32/0.7

Min raises turn, what do you guys think.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($42.92)
BB ($26)
UTG ($49.72)
CO ($29.57)
Hero ($26.45)

Dealt to Hero 9 T

fold, CO raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, fold, BB calls $0.50

FLOP ($2.35) J Q K

BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $1.75, BB calls $1.75, CO folds

TURN ($5.85) J Q K Q

[color=red]BB checks, Hero bets $2.75, BB raises to $5.50, Hero...
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03-07-2011 , 06:27 PM
Fold pre unless you can take tons of pots away from co. Still like a fold. I can actually find a fold on turn tbh as his range doesnt change by not raising flop, he can be attempting to get co in. Your essentially praying he has the 8 combos of aq and not kq, qj, qq, jj, or AT. All of which have you crushed.
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03-07-2011 , 06:32 PM
think he can have Qx a lot so shove for value

edit: and pre is really bad
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03-07-2011 , 06:33 PM
I think I'd like the call preflop a bit more if its suited.I think your playing mostly for implied odds and being suited will let you conitinue more often, although having the position and the fish in the BB prob makes it ok.I'd pot the flop for value. On the turn I think he has enough AQ, QT, Q9 hands to call here and see what the river brings.
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03-07-2011 , 06:37 PM
Whats with the betsizing?

passive fish c/r's a dangerous board usually means a very strong hand so I'd say you're pretty much crushed at this point
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03-07-2011 , 07:14 PM
CO had been playing 30/30 but again very small sample of 20 hands
With the fish in the blind and me being on the button I dont think calling PF is horrible, probably could go either way.

My thoughts are more about what you guys think on the turn. It's interesting so far have heard fold,jam, and call.

I have a tendency to put a lot of weight on the fact that there was no raise PF on this wet of a board. I just don't expect people to be flatting with 2p and sets and giving 2 opponents a chance to catch up on the turn, it may be a mistake to be putting this much weight on these types of reads though...as I have been lately. Are these types of reads even reliable enough to be given any serious consideration without having some solid HHs to back them up? I feel like I am giving unknowns way to much credit...
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03-07-2011 , 07:32 PM
I think he has at least a Q in his hand, but he's giving you a great price to call. If a diamond, A or T hits otr and he bets big I'm folding, but if he keeps betting small I wouldn't be folding.

Last edited by Rochefort8; 03-07-2011 at 07:35 PM. Reason: Bet Bigger otf and ott
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03-07-2011 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rochefort8
I think he has at least a Q in his hand, but he's giving you a great price to call. If a diamond, A or T hits otr and he bets big I'm folding, but if he keeps betting small I wouldn't be folding.
This. Def folding if he pots it (assuming you're playing on a site with a pot button).
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03-07-2011 , 11:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iIImatic
think he can have Qx a lot so shove for value

edit: and pre is really bad
This.
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03-08-2011 , 12:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander Young
Fold pre unless you can take tons of pots away from co. Still like a fold. I can actually find a fold on turn tbh as his range doesnt change by not raising flop, he can be attempting to get co in. Your essentially praying he has the 8 combos of aq and not kq, qj, qq, jj, or AT. All of which have you crushed.
I agree with most of this.
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03-08-2011 , 12:38 AM
Fold pre. OT, I don´t think he´d slowplay a set on this type of flop (well, at least he shouldn´t...). I tihnk he can have Qx enough, ship.
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03-08-2011 , 12:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander Young
.............Your essentially praying he has the 36+ combos of aq qj q10 q9 + alot of Qxs and not kq, qj, qq, jj, or AT. All of which have you crushed.
fyp
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03-08-2011 , 12:25 PM
min raising in uNL indicates a strong hand and is made for value because it cant and doesnt intend to make better hands to fold(at least most of the time). the difference between a strong hand and a strong hand that beats you in this hand is that the second would c-r the flop. so i stick with Qx.

Last edited by old_boy; 03-08-2011 at 12:30 PM.
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03-08-2011 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Snaaak
Whats with the betsizing?

passive fish c/r's a dangerous board usually means a very strong hand so I'd say you're pretty much crushed at this point
While his range is strong, it includes trips, two pair, and some boats. You are beating a lot of what he would min raise with.
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