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25NL facing XR OTT on paired board & river shove 25NL facing XR OTT on paired board & river shove

12-19-2017 , 07:15 AM
No stats on villain. How should of I played this?
How's my bet sizing?
Thanks all in advance

Winning Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Converted at http://handhistoryconverter.com/

MP ($34.82)
Hero (Button) ($33.09)
SB ($9.75)
BB ($21.71)
UTG ($38.41)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
1 fold, MP raises $0.62, Hero raises $2, 2 folds, MP calls $1.38

Flop: ($4.35) 8, 2, 5 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.30, MP calls $1.30

Turn: ($6.95) 8 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2.20, MP raises $10, Hero calls $7.80

River: ($26.95) Q (2 players)
MP raises to $21.52 (All-In), Hero ???
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12-19-2017 , 08:11 AM
I'm not a fan of the small flop and turn bets. For one reason you're not really protecting your equity. There are 12 overcards and an additional 8 hearts that make things trickier for us that could possibly come out.

The second reason is that it leads to scenarios like what has happened here. Is he raising the turn with a nuttish hand or is he raising just because you've played it like you've got a really weak hand? If you've got a particular read that villain likes to pounce on weakness then you might be able to call it down here, otherwise I'd just fold.

(There's a dedicated 6max forum btw)
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12-19-2017 , 09:01 PM
Sorry didn't know there was a 6max forum, could you point me in that direction, I can't seem to find it. Hm my main reason for betting small was to keep all his weak hands like overcards that miss the flop & pocket pairs. What sizing would you recommend?
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12-20-2017 , 01:48 PM
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/6...-stakes-pl-nl/

I think somewhere between 50-60% of the pot is good on the flop and 50% on the turn.
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12-20-2017 , 02:01 PM
betting flop small with a wide range is fine, turn needs to be bet bigger tho if you do.
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12-29-2017 , 01:10 AM
It's a hero call on the river to catch a busted flush draw. I don't think you beat much of his value range as I doubt he does this with TT, 99 on the river. Also AhQh, KhQh, QhJh type hands got there. It's close if villain can call a 3bet with wide range of AhXh and suited heart connectors. Need some stats or reads, but against unknown folding and making a note
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12-29-2017 , 08:35 AM
Against an unknown I probably lean towards a fold. If he is anywhere near competent, he should know your hand looks a lot like an over pair. He still raises turn. You are deep with villain so he can have sets. Be surprised if he does this with flush draw...
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01-01-2018 , 05:11 PM
First thing you did wrong was re raising before the flop. Should have just called and let him think he's in charge of the hand. Then just check call all the way to the river. Let him bet for you. Jacks are a good hand but often the flop will have an overcard or two so its difficult to know where you are. Also you don't want to be shoving all in with it pre flop and getting called by ace king, thats just coin flipping, not a good bet really. One way to play it on the low flop is just to put him all in right there on the flop. That's risky but most of the time you will take down the pot or if your opponent is a fish then they'll call with top pair and be busted by your overpair. If that was your plan then you would be right to re raise large pre flop to build the pot up a bit. I prefer to play jacks quietly, unless you hit your set of course, then its just a case of extracting as much money as possible.
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01-01-2018 , 05:13 PM
The Decision needed to be made on the turn when your opponent made the large raise, if hes got u beat then u need to fold there.
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01-03-2018 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by KemiKings
First thing you did wrong was re raising before the flop. Should have just called and let him think he's in charge of the hand. Then just check call all the way to the river. Let him bet for you. Jacks are a good hand but often the flop will have an overcard or two so its difficult to know where you are. Also you don't want to be shoving all in with it pre flop and getting called by ace king, thats just coin flipping, not a good bet really. One way to play it on the low flop is just to put him all in right there on the flop. That's risky but most of the time you will take down the pot or if your opponent is a fish then they'll call with top pair and be busted by your overpair. If that was your plan then you would be right to re raise large pre flop to build the pot up a bit. I prefer to play jacks quietly, unless you hit your set of course, then its just a case of extracting as much money as possible.
you're not giving good advice to be honest with you. sorry man.
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01-04-2018 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Brussels Sprout
I'm not a fan of the small flop and turn bets. For one reason you're not really protecting your equity.
You are certainly doing ok-ish (not perfect) protecting your equity just on sizing vs range alone. Whether your setting up max value stacks is another question.

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There are 12 overcards and an additional 8 hearts that make things trickier for us that could possibly come out.
While all of which are possible, not all of which are probable based on continuing ranges.

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The second reason is that it leads to scenarios like what has happened here. Is he raising the turn with a nuttish hand or is he raising just because you've played it like you've got a really weak hand?
If this is the deciding factor in how villain plays turns we should be playing our hand exactly like this precisely with value hands and snapping rivs.

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If you've got a particular read that villain likes to pounce on weakness then you might be able to call it down here
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No stats on villain
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otherwise I'd just fold.
Hate to pick on one reply (didn't really read more), and this is nothing against you in particular because I think I had similar views before, but your reply is simple and I hope you learn from my reply (pm me if interested ). This is a yin yang game at small stakes. There is an balance but the balance at these stakes is never in equilibrium so there is always a gap to exploit. Tighten up the yin yang and focus on the gap within.
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