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25NL: facing limp raise with JJ, line check 25NL: facing limp raise with JJ, line check

06-10-2008 , 05:46 PM
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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SB: $27.80
BB: $84.50
UTG: $16.55
UTG+1: $9.50
UTG+2: $25.70
MP1: $7.20
Hero (MP2): $38.25
CO: $4.65
BTN: $44.65

Pre Flop: Hero is MP2 with J J
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, 2 folds, SB calls $1.15, 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $38.25 all in, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $7 all in

Flop: ($20.50) 8 6 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($20.50) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($20.50) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)


villain UTG+1 is 30/6/4 on 86 hands, villain who folded preflop is 10/8/4.3 on 387 hands.

my usual response to the limp raise is shove with JJ+, check showdown, take notes, be prepared for next time.
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06-10-2008 , 06:00 PM
pretty reckless to shove over SB who cold called your raise imo

edit: limp rr's scare me. i would CALL for the cheap 1.25$ for set value expecting SB to come along. i expect to be WB or coinflipping against UTG+1. i might be too nitty in this spot though, but this move seems so strong to me at the micro's.

it's really thin but i expect this to be a marginally good call when SB calls (and he most certainly will). eager to hear some more thoughts on this though.

Last edited by hurt; 06-10-2008 at 06:10 PM.
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06-10-2008 , 06:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hurt
pretty reckless to shove over SB who cold called your raise imo

edit: limp rr's scare me. i would CALL for the cheap 1.25$ for set value expecting SB to come along. i expect to be WB or coinflipping against UTG+1.
In situations like this I like to raise again to half of the shorties remaining stack or less to reopen the betting. This threatens the SB with the possibility of you putting in a fifth raise with a very strong hand seeing as shortie is likely to go in. You can do this with any hand you're prepared to stack off with against shortie including AA. If the SB is stubborn and calls again you can always just call the all in with JJ and tread carefully postflop.
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06-10-2008 , 06:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by random hater
In situations like this I like to raise again to half of the shorties remaining stack or less to reopen the betting. This threatens the SB with the possibility of you putting in a fifth raise with a very strong hand seeing as shortie is likely to go in. You can do this with any hand you're prepared to stack off with against shortie including AA. If the SB is stubborn and calls again you can always just call the all in with JJ and tread carefully postflop.
I actually like this line better than shoving. If SB has a real hand and was thinking of slowplaying, he may just want to get it all in now that we've reraised, and I'm certainly not getting all in preflop for 100+BB.
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06-10-2008 , 10:05 PM
I also like random's line... it adds deception value IMO. Your line pretty much screams JJ to a competent opponent... assuming that the sb is just that from his stats, its pretty easy for him to make the correct play and call with better hands while throwing away everything worse.
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06-10-2008 , 11:38 PM
utg+1 screams AA or KK
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06-11-2008 , 12:03 AM
I think just getting it in is ok. He's a 30/6 with a 40BB stack, that's not someone I tend to give a lot of credit to. This is AA/KK often against a better player and a bigger stack, but in my experience against bad halfstacks, this could be anything from AA to 86o that is just frustrated at his limps being raised or wants to gamble.

We're only worried about QQ+ and if we think he has that, we can't call for set value anyways. Just flatting for more info. on the flop really just makes the decisions harder.

I think you're not in bad shape equity-wise in this situation so mise well make the hand easy to play.

Last edited by xerocat; 06-11-2008 at 12:14 AM.
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06-11-2008 , 12:13 AM
I don't see another option really. SB prob doesn't have you beat except for QQ maybe. UTG+1 is repping AA-KK but I still am not folding here.
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06-11-2008 , 01:17 PM
We really don't need to decipher what exactly he's holding here. This player has a somewhat tight raising range to begin with and this is a fishy move so I put him on a range of probably jj+, ak and in that case its a fold. Your winning 11.22 (rake adjusted) by risking 8.25 giving you 1.36to1 which means you need to win this pot about 42% to break even.

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Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.415% 61.85% 01.57% 37064298 940916.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 36.585% 35.01% 01.57% 20984510 940916.00 { JdJs }

Quote:
In situations like this I like to raise again to half of the shorties remaining stack or less to reopen the betting. This threatens the SB with the possibility of you putting in a fifth raise with a very strong hand seeing as shortie is likely to go in.
Ugh, small blind is set mining (not slowplaying), if he had a hand that beat us he would have 3 bet us the first time around. Look at his PFR and over all Agg. This is not someone who slowplays KK. If I have a hand I want to continue with I'm coming back over the top for at least the rest of the midstacks stack. This is more likely to get rid of SB and get this pot heads up than a miniraise.
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06-11-2008 , 02:09 PM
EDIT: for some reason I didn't realize that utg+1 was short, which obviously makes this play much less spewy. I still fold tho, although it is borderline

Last edited by noidea555; 06-11-2008 at 02:15 PM.
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06-11-2008 , 02:18 PM
Not enough equity, villian almost always has you beat, fold.
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