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11-03-2010 , 10:02 PM

niceShoot

stranger

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3

...when you have no numbers/read on the other player in the pot? Say you both have near identical stack sizes. If villain open raises, you 3bet and he 4bets do you ever go away in 25NL? What if you open and he shoves your 4bet?

My inclination is towards no but I'd like to learn if I'm wrong here. I've had a really bad streak of running my QQs into KKs or AAs lately and have gone broke way too many times more than is mathematically fair in the last 5 or 6 days, prompting my inquiry.

Thanks!

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11-04-2010 , 02:34 AM

vexican

adept

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 862

In theory: yes, cuz I don't expect random people with full stacks to 4bet with TT or worse, which is all I beat. I might flat a 4bet and shove on any flop without a Q/K/A.

In practice: no, cuz JJ is a strong hand against a random microstake donk. =)

But don't worry about running QQ/KK into AA. You're just running bad. Keep playing those aggressively; you'll be ahead way more often than not.

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11-04-2010 , 02:45 AM

benjamin barker

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Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,716

If you don't have any reads on the guy, and you aren't sure if you want to play for stacks with JJ, there is no rule that says you have to 3bet them preflop in the first place.

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11-04-2010 , 04:20 AM

canoodles

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 7,033

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Originally Posted by benjamin barker

If you don't have any reads on the guy, and you aren't sure if you want to play for stacks with JJ, there is no rule that says you have to 3bet them preflop in the first place.

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11-04-2010 , 04:32 AM

absolutefish

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,826

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Originally Posted by benjamin barker

If you don't have any reads on the guy, and you aren't sure if you want to play for stacks with JJ, there is no rule that says you have to 3bet them preflop in the first place.

True, but I want the opportunity to get JJ in preflop.

We're ahead waaaaaaay more often than we're behind, and flatting pre means we're playing JJ oop which isn't ideal.

Obviously I don't mind flatting pre now and then, but early in a game I want to be finding out how a player reacts to 3bets etc and flatting pre seems a tad weak.

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11-04-2010 , 10:09 AM

zagor

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 427

Stove it a bit and it becomes a clear decision...

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