Villain is 13/10 with 1.9 aggression over 496 hands.






Usually, I don't take the check raise line with two overs and a FD but it's something new that I was trying to incorporate into my game and I tried it for the first time today.

I bet on the turn because I would show too much weakness and turn my hands face up if I just check on the turn but now I'm thinking maybe I should have.

Obviously hated the call on the turn but I thought with all the money in the pot, I had to call but I may be wrong.

Ideas?

The first thing you should do is do the math for the call on the Turn. It's good practice and gets you in the habit of doing it so that, the next time a situation like this pops up in game, you can do it quicker.

As played, I likely check the Turn. I'd prefer a barrel if a T or K hit.

Also, don't post results. You may end up getting results-oriented feedback.

Just call the flop.

Fold turn, unless your mathematically committed.

obvious advice is obvious

why are you raising flop ? Is it for value, for semi bluffing or for the free card.


When I take this line (check raise) if I don't hit on turn I take free card here unless I have a really good card to 2nd barrel. here the 6 change nothing so if he called on flop, no reason to not call turn + you have big chance he will crai since he may recognize you are on a big draw. Now the bet ott commits you to the pot and you find yourself paying way too much money for that draw...

Raise or call flop depends on villans CB tendencies. I don't think that many 13/10s would bet this flop with air so I prefer a call in this case in the absence of other stats.

As played take the free river as he isn't likely to fold this turn and you hate your life when he c/r

Am I going mad? People keep mentioning a check/raise but I dont see it.

Anyway......Im probably calling the flop, I think raising is fine but we get shoved on and we are getting i in behind, obviously we arnt in terrible shape but a lot of the time when we call the flop villains will check/fold the turn or we hit our hand. Great thing here is that any A or Q he might see as an ideal scare card to keep betting.

As played I think you have to check behind the turn, its an awful card and likely that the villain wont fold anything he called the flop with. When villains call flop raises unless you are getting way out of line and given the hand we have then its going to be at least top pair, but more likely an overpair or set as it were, although most of the time a set is 3betting here.

Would you say AsKx is a better hand to raise this flop with MartL ? Given we probably raise all our sets, we should raise some bluffs aswell, and its always best to have some equity when called.

Re raise or fold pre
You have position I hate the flat call unless villan is fit fold or passive
As played don't mind the raise on flop but deffinatly checking turn and giving up unless I hit. On iPad so don't wanna go in depth but most if not all gave said basic same lines

Sorry just seen that op was a tag would probably play it face up and call/check down and fold river if miss

I think idealy we have something like Asx but something with some equity would be good here but really theres a lot of cards that can come on the turn where we can keep pressure on the villain and potentially get folds just this isnt one of them.

I am trying to gauge what your thinking before the flop. Why would you call his raise in position? By raising him you can eliminate all the potential pairs that probably wont fold if you just call.

I like the raise on the flop and its a semi bluff, you still have good equity in the hand.

There are a number of turn cards that are good obvious flush, ace or queen.

And then a king, ten, nine may be scare cards for villian.

As soon as six comes on the turn a villian like this knows your probably stuffed. Hoping you bet with 25% equity.

I'm new and just want to make sure I'm getting my math right:

On turn Hero has to call $13 into a $36 pot so pot odds are about 2.7:1.

Knowing what we know, Hero only has 7 outs giving a ratio of 5.7:1, but even if we put him on TPTK with AJ, giving us 12 outs and 2.9:1, it's still a slightly bad call based on pot odds alone.

I know there are other things to consider, but just wondering if I have my pot odds calculation right. Comments appreciated.

I'm a percentages guys rather than a ratio guy, but you should do whatever works for you.

Personally, what I do here is this: it's ~$13 more into a pot under $39. I know this ratio of 3:1 requires 25%, so since the pot is slightly under the $39, I know I need slightly more then 25%.

And using the 4-2 rule thingy, 7 outs means we need slightly more than 14%. So it looks like a fold to me.

I've found it useful to learn off some exact ratio/percentages (3:1, 2:1 etc.) and then make minor adjustments like above in game.

You're counting your outs wrong. If an A or Q wins for us, then we have 15 outs. If an A does and a Q doesn't or a Q does and an A doesn't we have 12. If neither do we have 9. Not sure where you're getting 7 from.

Since we don't know which of those numbers is the correct one, plugging our hand vs a reasonable range for villain ott (I'm just gonna say 77, JJ+ here, but it may be wider or narrower depending on villain) gives us 22%, which means we need slightly better than 3:1. Monetarily, we have to call 13.05 to win 19.55+6.50+9.85 = 35.90, which is approximately 2.75:1.

Fwiw if he has 3 worse FDs than us, then we can call, but I doubt a 13/10 plays them this way.

@OP, I like checking back turn.

Thanks for the replies.

I got 7 outs because 3s or 6s pairs the board giving villain a full house. Am I missing something obvious?

You're assuming villain has a set on the flop.

Not assuming, since OP showed us villain had 77. Of course, we wouldn't know that during the hand, but I just wanted to do the math exercise to see if I get it right. Anyway, I don't mean to hijack the thread... Thanks again for the replies.

No, you're not. This one's on me.