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10-31-2009 , 06:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spraggy
Well you lot can all keep stacking of with AQ on a flop of AQQ but I'll play it my way tyvm. I guess you guys stacking off in spots like this is why the games are so beatable.
Lol.

Pf is fine vs this villain. Post flop is way too trappy, cring flop smallish and checking turn is a recipe for disaster, it is just so easy for villain to check behind with anything he wants to show down. You are going to end up winning a small pot way too often.
10-31-2009 , 06:50 PM
people limp/reraise with all kinds of stupid ****. it doesn't mean much without a specific read.
10-31-2009 , 06:57 PM
UTG played that hand so good
10-31-2009 , 06:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spraggy
Well you lot can all keep stacking of with AQ on a flop of AQQ but I'll play it my way tyvm. I guess you guys stacking off in spots like this is why the games are so beatable.
When leveling gets too obvious...
10-31-2009 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by streetwalkincheeta
When leveling gets too obvious...
; I thought it was obvious all along
10-31-2009 , 07:34 PM
Assume the limp/repop is QQ+/AK until you have reads otherwise. fwiw, this is a limp/MIN repop, and again until with reads saying otherwise, the min-raise is the micro donks go to for big hands.

So we've got two reads, 1. limp/repop from UTG, and 2. a min-raise. Easy fold preflop. You said tho that villian had been 3betting a lot - was his 3bet sizing on other hands different? Could be a bet sizing tell here.

Postflop plays itself, get it in, life sucks to flop the underfull, and without a read I'm not folding here. It's like folding KK preflop at the micros; don't do it without some insane reads (although I did fold KK preflop at 10NL a week back, but I had 3 compelling reads that said my KK was 2nd best to villians AA. Again, extremely read based).

The limp/repop tho is very villian dependent; I've seen it done with big pairs for sure, but also with trash like AJo/K8s/77 etc. But this is read dependent. I tend to assume all my opponents are competend until I have reads saying otherwise. I know this is a MAJOR leap, as 90%+ of the players at the micros are spewtards, donks and regs alike. But it saves you playing a geussing game postflop.

fwiw, 25NL is still at the micros, and I think 50NL is too. 100NL+ is definitely SSNL.

Something odd about your post; you're playing one table, but missed the preflop action; wierd.

Last point tho. Now we know how villian plays AA preflop, I'm happier calling his repop with hands like 78s/66, and not dominated hands like AQ.
10-31-2009 , 07:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spraggy
; I thought it was obvious all along
It was;I don't know how to quote multiple replies
10-31-2009 , 07:45 PM
There is some good discussion ITT.

Personally, I'm on the fence between just flatting the flop and trying to see a cheap showdown or folding to the turn 3bet. Thoughts?
10-31-2009 , 07:52 PM
So, why are we flatting a 3bet pre with AQo OOP if not to get all our chips in (if possible) on a board exactly like this? I am genuinely curious and hope I don't sound condescending because I feel (one of) my bigger leaks is my play in 3bet pots, specifically with the lower end of the hands I would 3bet on a regular basis (TT-QQ, AQ).
10-31-2009 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by kaos_
There is some good discussion ITT.

Personally, I'm on the fence between just flatting the flop and trying to see a cheap showdown or folding to the turn 3bet. Thoughts?
Honestly, given all the preflop and flop action, I'm not sure how many worse hands play like he does on the turn. Qx maybe? no underpairs for sure, I think he's gotta maintain some control with AK, draws are gutshots so that would be crazy. So basically Qx and AA on the turn. Does KQ, QJ, QT limpreraise? any queen is highly unlikely since there's only 1 left. Giving weight to AA with the limp/rr and that there are more of them. Maybe folding to the turn 3bet isn't a bad option if I had my wits about me.
10-31-2009 , 07:54 PM
heartrazor are you typing with a new keyboard because you broke your last one?
10-31-2009 , 07:56 PM
minbet/f Flop
10-31-2009 , 08:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Baron
Assume the limp/repop is QQ+/AK until you have reads otherwise.
oh lord
10-31-2009 , 08:05 PM
Its a cooler. Especially against this time of villain. What you need to improve on is your betsizing post flop.

You need to raise more OTF, so its easier to get more money into the pot on later streets.
10-31-2009 , 10:22 PM
Oh come on. Look at the maniac's stats. We can't assume any range for this sort of player. They do not think, they will flat AA and fold AJ and 12bet 83o just because they do or don't think ya got it.

Really, do everything you can to get the money in. Bet and raise larger throughout the hand, all the sizes are really weird.

Edit: What exactly is "implied odds mining?"
10-31-2009 , 11:09 PM
lol i'm never folding this NEVER and if some of you can let this go then but i can't plus howard lederer made a video where he recomended that sometimes Limp reraise with AK,AQ;KQ so i ship it and hope he saw that video
10-31-2009 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gotnonick
howard lederer made a video where he recomended that sometimes Limp reraise with AK,AQ;KQ
the ultimate leveler?

or just that bad?
10-31-2009 , 11:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kaos_
There is some good discussion ITT.

Personally, I'm on the fence between just flatting the flop and trying to see a cheap showdown or folding to the turn 3bet. Thoughts?
STOP LEVELLING!
11-01-2009 , 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by EV+ Eevee
oh lord
What? He's 100% right.

Unless you have history with opponent limp/reraising junk hands or other reads, always assume limp/reraise is QQ+.
11-01-2009 , 03:39 AM
Look at his stats. Now look at you hand. Take a look at the board. Envision a bag of cheeseburgers. Get it in.

Also Rounders anyone?
11-01-2009 , 03:57 AM
lock this thread.

bbv
11-01-2009 , 04:39 AM
dumbest thread ever
11-01-2009 , 04:45 AM
I'm not a big fan of AQ
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