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25NL - ATo in BB, 4-way limped pot; is this too nitty a fold? 25NL - ATo in BB, 4-way limped pot; is this too nitty a fold?

07-10-2009 , 06:44 PM
OKay, first off, I know I should probably be raising this out of the BB, and with just one limper, I absolutely would, nearly always. With 2 limpers, though, + the SB, I'm thinking I stand a great chance of being called, and I am not relishing bloating a pot OOP with a hand that doesn't flop particularly well. MP's stats were 36/2/1.4, the SB's stats were 32/5/1.3.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $26.75
BTN: $8.35
SB: $16.00
Hero (BB): $44.50
UTG: $2.90
MP: $36.05

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with A T
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.00) J J A (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, MP calls $0.50, BTN folds, SB calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.50) 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $2, SB calls $2, Hero folds

I bet out the flop both for value, and to find out as soon as possible if my hand might be in trouble. Not happy about getting 2 callers, although I really hate my half-pot bet. Maybe .75 or .85 would be better. A blank hits and I check the turn (unsure if betting again here would be better), and when it goes bet - call, I'm not too thrilled with my hand anymore. Both of their PFR% are really low, so their range can easily include AK or AQ, and the obvious Jack. I decide I've got hardly anything invested in this pot, unsure where I'm at, against 2 villains who seem to like their hands. Plus, I have been picking up pots just fine playing my own game of building pots and taking them away.

Thoughts?
25NL - ATo in BB, 4-way limped pot; is this too nitty a fold? Quote
07-10-2009 , 06:49 PM
How did you let this be a limped pot?

I wouldn't give up on the pot yet.
25NL - ATo in BB, 4-way limped pot; is this too nitty a fold? Quote
07-10-2009 , 06:57 PM
I dont mind not raising pf b/c you are likely going to be oop with a hand with bad reverse implied odds whereas checking underreps your hands, im probably checking that flop for pot control since there are few worse hands that can call compared to the better hands that can raise/slowplay. Both leave you in a tough spot
25NL - ATo in BB, 4-way limped pot; is this too nitty a fold? Quote
07-10-2009 , 06:57 PM
I'd bet 0.75ish on the flop and the turn for value as well. As played I'd call turn and check/fold river
25NL - ATo in BB, 4-way limped pot; is this too nitty a fold? Quote
07-10-2009 , 10:51 PM
ICMoney: Are you always raising that spot from the blinds with 2 limpers? If so, what is the worst Ace you would be raising for value? What about broadway cards (QJ, KT etc) I usually just check these with multiple limpers; maybe I am missing out on some free money here.

Anyway, since it doesn't look like this hand warrants much further discussion, just thought I'd post the results for a kick.


Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $26.75
BTN: $8.35
SB: $16.00
Hero (BB): $44.50
UTG: $2.90
MP: $36.05

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with A T
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.00) J J A (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, MP calls $0.50, BTN folds, SB calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.50) 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $2, SB calls $2, Hero folds

River: ($6.50) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, MP bets $5, SB calls $5

Final Pot: $16.50
SB shows 6 A (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
MP shows K Q (a pair of Jacks)
SB wins $15.70
(Rake: $0.80)

Yeah I know, I got pwned.
25NL - ATo in BB, 4-way limped pot; is this too nitty a fold? Quote
07-10-2009 , 11:13 PM
I usually raise big preflop $1.75 or so to get it heads up or just take it down right there.

As played thats a pretty bad fold.

I probably ~1/2 pot all 3 streets folding to a raise.
25NL - ATo in BB, 4-way limped pot; is this too nitty a fold? Quote
07-11-2009 , 12:00 AM
Raise it up PF, ATo is good HU, not so much outter position. Anyways, bet the flop and turn you can easily fold to a raise. As played you gotta call
25NL - ATo in BB, 4-way limped pot; is this too nitty a fold? Quote

      
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