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09-13-2009 , 09:31 AM
Been playing for less than 20 hands,is this fine?
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BTN: $36.30
SB: $43.20
BB: $23.60
Hero (UTG): $26.05
CO: $31.75

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with A Q
Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.85) 9 6 A (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, CO raises to $5, Hero calls $3.50

Turn: ($11.85) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $6.25, Hero raises to $20.30 all in
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09-13-2009 , 09:35 AM
No, not fine, do you have any stats whatsoever against villains?
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09-13-2009 , 09:38 AM
no stats or reads,this is one of the first hands at the table.What's wrong here?
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09-13-2009 , 10:02 AM
Ask yourself what the purpose is of going all-in on the turn? I think worse hands are very unlikely to call, so you are only folding out hands that you beat.

Since the As is on the board flush draws are not quite as likely although he could have KsQs, QsJs, etc. I think it's actually close between c/c and c/f, but I think crai is the worse option.
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09-13-2009 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by nutstoyou
Ask yourself what the purpose is of going all-in on the turn? I think worse hands are very unlikely to call, so you are only folding out hands that you beat.

Since the As is on the board flush draws are not quite as likely although he could have KsQs, QsJs, etc. I think it's actually close between c/c and c/f, but I think crai is the worse option.
Well,villain is setting a pretty nice price for himself to draw,so I think I'm def getting value/protection from his draws,maybe AJ or smth.By calling here villain can pretty much give up draws UI and vbet improved etc..
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09-13-2009 , 10:12 AM
I think its way to light to auto stack off at 25nl from UTG here. Like above said, with the As being out, it reduces the chance of a fast played FD (though i wouldn't completely rule it out). Weaker Ax would tend to just call down 9 times out of 10 so I wouldn't expect to see that very often.
The 6 on the turn does reduce set combinations, though its a terrrible bluff card (whether hes aware of that?). I probably just c/f here.
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09-13-2009 , 10:19 AM
So villains range is weighted towards quads/boats/A9?
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09-13-2009 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by streetwalkincheeta
Well,villain is setting a pretty nice price for himself to draw,so I think I'm def getting value/protection from his draws,maybe AJ or smth.By calling here villain can pretty much give up draws UI and vbet improved etc..
You're right about giving him a slight edge for the draw because of his bet size if he his drawing, but I don't think a draw is his most likely hand. I think his most likely hands are either A9, or a boat if you are beat. Or a hand like A10 (which is great for you and which you don't want him to fold). That's why I personally would never crai here.

I acknowledge that because you are OPP it may be hard to get another bet out of him if he does have A10, A7, etc. but there is some chance that if you check the river he bets again. I also acknowledge that if a spade comes on the river you will have a tough decision, but a spade will only come one out of every four times.

Anyway, I just don't like the crai on the turn, but I will be interested in what others have to say.
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09-13-2009 , 10:50 AM
call turn and call river on blank board for high varience, fold turn for low varience?
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09-13-2009 , 10:57 AM
I think you rarely ever get value from a draw like this, maybe AJ/AT but thats about it. That doesn't mean I dislike the play though, his half pot bet looks very fishy, I think it somewhat justifies a shove. In all honesty I don't really like any of the options, c/f is weak, and if you are going to c/f here you should probably have just folded the flop. c/c sets you up to be valuetowned/lets villain draw, and c/rai lets villain get away from the hand with draws/crappy hands while handing him your stack if hes ahead.

If villain is capable of bluffing missed draws, I like c/c. If not, I like c/rai. If villain shows up with something like 99 after we c/rai then we got super leveled, but I think his weak bet is more often then not an attempt to protect a marginal hand. (and its hard to tell if that hand can stand a raise, without reads its hard to tell if c/rai is any good.)

Another option could be fold to his flop raise; I think its pretty clear on the flop that if you continue you are likely going to be in a crappy spot on the turn if villain shows any aggression. Against an unknown I think this is a pretty high variance and marginal spot to be in. It might be better to just take note and look him up next time.
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09-13-2009 , 11:01 AM
Yeah I get the point,but I feel way exploitable if I'm just going to be folding the near top of my range to a single raise on a drawy flop,where only few combos beat me.Turn is obv good for me and after I raise villain is calling 14 to win 50,so he might be calling or folding some draws etc.,whichever is fine with me.
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09-13-2009 , 11:57 AM
seams too risky to make a move like that without a read
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09-13-2009 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by streetwalkincheeta
Yeah I get the point,but I feel way exploitable if I'm just going to be folding the near top of my range to a single raise on a drawy flop,where only few combos beat me.Turn is obv good for me and after I raise villain is calling 14 to win 50,so he might be calling or folding some draws etc.,whichever is fine with me.
dont sweat "being exploitable" villain is no where close to knowing what you have, he is like ZOMG cards that hit this board well i raise. folding flop isnt bad at all with no reads. i know we wait and wait to get AQ and then to hit TP on a dryish board but you are getting pwned here like always. dont think about TPGK as top of you range. A. its not. top set it top of you range, then there are 2ps of varrying strength and on and on. this should not be the top of you range. also, dont use word like that. it doesnt matter when you raise, and bet an A hi board, bc when villain raises he isnt thinking ill bluff raise you off an A. he is also not thinking ill raise a crappy A for value.

that means he is owning you with all of the hands he raises here. not just that but your call is super strong. this is a great play with sets but not with your hand.

no one is exploiting you as much as you think, and your range doesnt really matter that much. if he is saying with a raise that i beat your TPTK then obv you fold.
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09-13-2009 , 12:34 PM
btw i bet you got owned here and was like what a bad line for villain to take except his was as straight forward as possible and yours was as "desceptive" as possible.
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09-13-2009 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ImprovinNewbie
btw i bet you got owned here and was like what a bad line for villain to take except his was as straight forward as possible and yours was as "desceptive" as possible.
You sound like this hand is pissing you off,or am I misinterpreting your replies.You're right about the fact that a random 25NLer isn't going to be exploiting me here all that much with air etc.,but I kind of do think that bet/folding everything but sets+ on this flop is pretty f weaktight.What range do you continue on this flop with?

Last edited by streetwalkincheeta; 09-13-2009 at 12:55 PM.
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09-13-2009 , 02:08 PM
sorry, not angry at all. just really yelling at myself bc everything you said in the analysis is stuff i used to say but was totally totally wrong.

if im playing well i fold everything except my nut hands (sets, good 2ps, 87ss). if im playing bad i jam AK on the flop.

the way to do this uNL is to vbet vbet vbet and almost never call. you can bet really really thin all the time. i mean vbeting btm pair on drawy boards IP, but almost no one is bluff raising you. calling is rly just for the nuts.

GL tho
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09-13-2009 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ImprovinNewbie
sorry, not angry at all. just really yelling at myself bc everything you said in the analysis is stuff i used to say but was totally totally wrong.

if im playing well i fold everything except my nut hands (sets, good 2ps, 87ss). if im playing bad i jam AK on the flop.

the way to do this uNL is to vbet vbet vbet and almost never call. you can bet really really thin all the time. i mean vbeting btm pair on drawy boards IP, but almost no one is bluff raising you. calling is rly just for the nuts.

GL tho
Cool I get what you're saying,villains ranges are very unbalanced here.Yep did get owned here
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09-13-2009 , 02:33 PM
3b flop
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