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25NL - any street you would play differently? 25NL - any street you would play differently?

09-22-2009 , 03:38 AM
Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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Hero (CO): $25.00
BTN: $5.00
SB: $6.27
BB: $14.87
UTG: $9.36
UTG+1: $25.77
MP1: $5.84
MP2: $50.96

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with A J
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.70, 1 fold, SB calls $0.60, BB calls $0.45

Flop: ($2.10) J 8 Q (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB folds, BB calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.10) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.60, BB calls $3.60

River: ($12.30) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $4.25, Hero raises to $19.20 all in, BB calls $4.82 all in
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09-22-2009 , 03:43 AM
Any stats or reads on villain?

Against unknown I would have played it same way. Nh
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09-22-2009 , 03:48 AM
i have stats from 95 hands on villain but i'm not really sure what's relevant here? maybe donk river %?
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09-22-2009 , 05:11 AM
vpip/pfr is always useful unless we have less than 25 hands. even then if it's absurdly high it's still useful. against this random halfstacker type you played it fine. sorry if you got coolered by 9T or sets
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09-22-2009 , 05:19 AM
I check the flop
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09-22-2009 , 09:02 AM
First, bad table. You are only eight players and three of them are short stackers.

On the flop I would bet more, around $2. On draw heavy boards like this you want to give them a hard time if they wanna play a pot with you OOP. If one player c/c I would would check back turn if a blank hits and reevaluate on the river. At NL25 you are getting payed of very light on the river sometimes cause some people think you have AK and their 77 or 98 is still good.

As played from the turn on it would do the same. Looks like AQ or KQ to me.
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09-22-2009 , 07:37 PM
NH
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09-22-2009 , 07:53 PM
I think all was good up until the turn, right there at that point there is only 3 hands that beat you, QJ 9T QQ. So on the turn i probally would have put in a value bet, something small to hope he raises you, once he raises you u can almost count on qq,qj ..BB typically wouldnt call a raise with 9Ts/o so that hand is tossed. but i think i would have played the turn diffrently hopeing he got excited and mad a mistake you could've picked up on.
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09-22-2009 , 07:54 PM
looks good...
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09-22-2009 , 07:59 PM
Kinda surprised most like the cbet actually. It's super drawy and hits alot of villain's range, and he's never folding a worse hand imo and calling (or raising) with draws that have good equity us. So we basically want him to fold his PPs to our cbet? Someone correct me plz.
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09-22-2009 , 08:07 PM
Haven't read any responses yet.

NH I say.

The only thing I may consider is checking the flop. Still up in the air about it, but I don't think a cbet is bad. Rest of the hand looks fine as played.
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09-22-2009 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Doublez-Down
Kinda surprised most like the cbet actually. It's super drawy and hits alot of villain's range, and he's never folding a worse hand imo and calling (or raising) with draws that have good equity us. So we basically want him to fold his PPs to our cbet? Someone correct me plz.
stats would help in deciding whether nor not to cbet. vs a 50/10 in a 3way pot i'm probably not cbetting
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09-22-2009 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Doublez-Down
Kinda surprised most like the cbet actually. It's super drawy and hits alot of villain's range, and he's never folding a worse hand imo and calling (or raising) with draws that have good equity us. So we basically want him to fold his PPs to our cbet? Someone correct me plz.
Assuming typical loose passive, it's for value.
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09-22-2009 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Doublez-Down
Kinda surprised most like the cbet actually. It's super drawy and hits alot of villain's range, and he's never folding a worse hand imo and calling (or raising) with draws that have good equity us. So we basically want him to fold his PPs to our cbet? Someone correct me plz.
If you check behind on this flop, what is your plan when either villain leads a brick turn? Folding would seem weak because there is nothing telling us that our hand is no good. Checking back the flop makes the turn more complicated imo as you have to figure out what % of the time villain is leading for value and how often it is a bluff because you showed weakness on the turn.

If you bet the flop for value, you can usually follow up with a solid value bet on any brick turn because the board is so drawy.

I think that I might actually play this situation better than I would TPTK sometimes because I can let go of 2nd pair to a river donk easily when the straight comes in because I know that I beat nothing.
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09-22-2009 , 09:42 PM
You played the hand fine - NH.

Sucks if you got coolered here but you did nothing wrong.
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09-22-2009 , 10:43 PM
i'm checking the flop too
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09-23-2009 , 12:07 AM
I could go either way on the flop cbet vs. check debate, and I think the tiebreaker is going to come down to table texture and hero's image at any given moment.

I'm surprised nobody has looked at the river situation yet. When villain donks here for 1/3 pot and half his stack (blocking bet ldo), what is he going to call our raise with that we beat and that took his line? Possibilities (I guess?) are AA, KK, worse J, or Qx..

AA or KK I HAVE seen played this way by some complete morons, but I think most villains would have spoken up by the turn at the latest.

Worse J you definitely would have gotten C/R on the turn.

Qx, unless you're facing a terribad, is a zomgwtf line to begin with, and most likely folds to the river raise anyway.

I think you could have saved $4.82 on your river raise, the rest of the hand looks fine.
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