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01-27-2011 , 09:35 PM

SovietRussia

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Ok, basically I've lost a little confidence in my game. I've had to drop down stakes to recoup after 2 very grueling days. I'm not exactly sure what to do here. Earlier he flopped a set against my two pair and just value bet me to the river.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Hero (UTG) ($61.57)
MP ($40.95)
Button ($24.16)
SB ($7.35)
BB ($38.93) (17/14 - 3b 4/f 75 - cb 75/50 - Tb 57)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A

, K

Hero bets $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.10) 8

, J

, A

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.32, 1 fold, BB raises $9.81, Hero calls $7.49

Turn: ($22.72) 9

(2 players)
BB bets $18.54, Hero...?

Last edited by SovietRussia; 01-27-2011 at 09:47 PM.

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01-27-2011 , 10:05 PM

Infection

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Easy fold on the turn, the question is about the flop in my mind. Considering you hold the As, it's a bit less likely he's semibluffing with a FD+pair. I don't hate a fold OTF.

Also, if he's using autoscript for his bet sizes (or is that just a result of yours?), AND he's up $ with solid TAG stats, I doubt he's doing this with a ton of semibluffs. It's just not a good idea at 25 in my experience because there is such little fold equity, especially on wet A high boards. Like, if you have the A, he gets snapped usually. Does that make sense? I'm not even sure...

Even OTF we are either way behind or slightly ahead

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01-27-2011 , 10:12 PM

As1an1nvas1on

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flop is more interesting than anything. Why are we flatting his raise?

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01-27-2011 , 10:38 PM

SovietRussia

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Originally Posted by As1an1nvas1on

flop is more interesting than anything. Why are we flatting his raise?

From what I've seen across a few tables over the span of the day, he's never raised his strong hands outside of preflop or the river. So, with this being out of character, I called to see If he would shut down on the turn OOP and also if my hand would improve. I found it odd.

I also didn't want to jam 250bb deep. Would rather re-evaluate the turn in this instance tbh.

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Originally Posted by Infection

Also, if he's using autoscript for his bet sizes (or is that just a result of yours?)

Merge bet buttons.

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01-27-2011 , 11:39 PM

p_oker

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Turn is a fold imo but I think everyone agrees with that.

Flop is tough but I think the Ace of Spades in your hand is key. It just makes it less likely hes doing it with pair + fd and weights his range more to sets/2pair. His bet sizing really looks like a strong hand looking to charge draws. I think I'd fold the flop.

When you said he didnt usually raise his strong hands until the river, what types of boards was this on?

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01-28-2011 , 12:06 AM

SovietRussia

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Originally Posted by p_oker

When you said he didnt usually raise his strong hands until the river, what types of boards was this on?

I can't recall off hand. I figured looking at the flop he was holding 88, AJ, 8A or the right field possibility of air. But then again, with his other sets/strong hands he had not raised flop, ever.

JJ/AA didn't make sense to me because I had seen him 3bet JJ in the blinds few times before.

A10/AQ/AK didn't make sense because he just would have called down, being his almost robotic go to play.

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01-29-2011 , 03:40 PM

RandomCanadian

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I don't think i could call his raise otf. Even if we are ahead, it's not by much.

Good luck with your downswing SovietRussia

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01-29-2011 , 03:47 PM

davinci16

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I would fold flop and i don't think its terrible close tbh especially with the points a few have brought up as we have the nut flush card in our hand its much less likely hes raising with pair + nut flush and leans his range to sets and two pairs also his stats are on the nitty side for a tag so i would expect him to bluff less often...

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01-29-2011 , 03:48 PM

GOONERCAM

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bet/fold the flop, not really that close

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01-29-2011 , 03:51 PM

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subs

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id fold to his flop raise no question... but then seeing his ******ed sizing on the turn makes me want to hero shove

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01-29-2011 , 03:56 PM

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txdome

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Originally Posted by subs

id fold to his flop raise no question... but then seeing his ******ed sizing on the turn makes me want to hero shove

It's a super wet board and he almost pots it. Is his bet too small or too big? It can't sized too drastically different in either direction.

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01-29-2011 , 03:58 PM

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GOONERCAM

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he's only got a $38 dollar stack, its easy to work out which one it is

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01-29-2011 , 03:58 PM

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subs

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he might as well shove if he makes it that big... hes leaving like 9 behind into what would be a $60 pot

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01-29-2011 , 04:09 PM

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txdome

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Originally Posted by subs

he might as well shove if he makes it that big... hes leaving like 9 behind into what would be a $60 pot

You're right, shove is good. You'll get max value from somebody who doesn't want to give up their combo draw. Dry aces fold that turn alot no matter the sizing.

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01-29-2011 , 04:59 PM

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Sybuz

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with no reads on this player and you are pretty deep it's a bet/fold on the flop

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06-22-2014 , 11:54 AM

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!uSwEEt!

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Combo draw qt???

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06-22-2014 , 11:56 AM

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TWhelan

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Originally Posted by !uSwEEt!

Combo draw qt???

Lemme go get in my time machine and find out

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06-22-2014 , 12:05 PM

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Infection

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whut. why was this bumped lol

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06-22-2014 , 12:09 PM

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(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)

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min3bet/fold flop obv, it's 2011

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06-22-2014 , 10:41 PM

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!uSwEEt!

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Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)

min3bet/fold flop obv, it's 2011

Lol

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06-22-2014 , 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GOONERCAM

bet/fold the flop, not really that close

Agree with this, and I don't think the As is a big deal at all.

lol wtf bumping a 3 year old thread about a super standard spot. I was wondering why I thought some of the posters played higher (pretty sure subs plays higher).

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