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[25nl] AA in the BB vs EP raiser. [25nl] AA in the BB vs EP raiser.

09-11-2014 , 06:05 PM
So i played this hand today and i just wondered on your thoughts on how i played it , bet sizing's and so on.

Looking back i think because we are both so deep i should be 3b pre to say $3.25 .

x/r the flop maybe ?

Villain. Dont really have any reads on him as 3tabling Rush and haven't pld much with him before.

    Full Tilt, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, Rush, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $40.27 (161.1 bb)
    Hero (BB): $71.80 (287.2 bb)
    UTG: $75.43 (301.7 bb)
    MP: $25.80 (103.2 bb)
    CO: $36.45 (145.8 bb)
    BTN: $12.89 (51.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A A
    UTG raises to $0.75, 4 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, UTG calls $1.75

    Flop: ($5.10) 7 5 K (2 players)
    Hero bets $3.06, UTG raises to $8, Hero calls $4.94

    Turn: ($21.10) Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets $12, Hero calls $12

    River: ($45.10) 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets $21.25, Hero calls $21.25

    Spoiler:
    Results: $87.60 pot ($3 rake)
    Final Board: 7 5 K Q 4
    Hero showed A A and won $84.60 ($40.85 net)
    UTG showed 8 9 and lost (-$43.75 net)
    [25nl] AA in the BB vs EP raiser. Quote
    09-11-2014 , 07:02 PM
    Really a tough spot. I think I'm folding river.

    AK or a draw could very well be raising flop and 2 barreling but I don't see either 3 barreling too often. I don't think we can beat anything else in an average 3 barrel range other than a bluff.
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    09-11-2014 , 07:43 PM
    I think you nailed it- pre sizing is poor. X/r flop is nice.

    Last edited by DocileMagikarp; 09-11-2014 at 07:49 PM.
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    09-12-2014 , 03:48 AM
    This deep x/r isn't better than the line you took.
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    09-12-2014 , 05:18 AM
    Yeah id 3b a teeny bit bigger pre. He seems decent, you have the Ac, Kd & Qd are out there, he doesn't have KQ, you look mighty strong and he'd be crazy to even try to bluff on this board let alone have any bluffs at all. I wouldn't regret folding...
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    09-12-2014 , 06:04 AM
    He folds to 3bets 67%, so he might call SC (as you see), but probably folds suited-one-gappers. Let's say his range for calling is:
    QQ-22, AJs+, AQ+, KQs-65s, KQ.

    Against range stated above, the range that will continue is 25% (sets, QJss-98ss, AK and KQ). He raises flop, wich indicates he probably has a draw or a set. Most likely you can exclude KQ for raising this flop. AK might do this sometimes in a 3b pot, but you're very deep; so unlikely.

    So if we analyse it that way his range looks like draws or a set. The weird part though: he bets just above half pot on the turn, wich feels like he's more likely on a draw than he has a set. Again on the river just under half pot; with a set???

    You get 3:1 on the river so you have to be good 25% of the time. His sets consist of 6 combo's (77 and 33; QQ will not raise flop) and his missed flush draws without a pair has 3 combo's (JTss-98ss, and there is one combo (QJss) wich paired his Q on the turn; wich he will probably check behind on the turn though.

    Your call here is +EV pure analysed like this. Count in the times you see a lost suited J9s, an AK or a pure bluff and you have an easy call imo on the river.
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    09-12-2014 , 08:35 AM
    Fine
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    09-12-2014 , 09:20 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GilZ89
    He folds to 3bets 67%, so he might call SC (as you see), but probably folds suited-one-gappers. Let's say his range for calling is:
    QQ-22, AJs+, AQ+, KQs-65s, KQ.

    Against range stated above, the range that will continue is 25% (sets, QJss-98ss, AK and KQ). He raises flop, wich indicates he probably has a draw or a set. Most likely you can exclude KQ for raising this flop. AK might do this sometimes in a 3b pot, but you're very deep; so unlikely.

    So if we analyse it that way his range looks like draws or a set. The weird part though: he bets just above half pot on the turn, wich feels like he's more likely on a draw than he has a set. Again on the river just under half pot; with a set???

    You get 3:1 on the river so you have to be good 25% of the time. His sets consist of 6 combo's (77 and 33; QQ will not raise flop) and his missed flush draws without a pair has 3 combo's (JTss-98ss, and there is one combo (QJss) wich paired his Q on the turn; wich he will probably check behind on the turn though.

    Your call here is +EV pure analysed like this. Count in the times you see a lost suited J9s, an AK or a pure bluff and you have an easy call imo on the river.
    Thanks for taking the time to analyse the hand , and everyone else who replied.
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    09-12-2014 , 10:20 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GilZ89
    He folds to 3bets 67%, so he might call SC (as you see), but probably folds suited-one-gappers. Let's say his range for calling is:
    QQ-22, AJs+, AQ+, KQs-65s, KQ.
    That's pretty if not super optimistic for a 3b calling range UTGvsBB. This is a rare spot so 220 hands isn't going to mean much as to how the ranges actually look like. And if we don't get the ranges correctly, all the calcs are pretty much useless I'm afraid.
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    09-12-2014 , 11:25 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by siziono
    That's pretty if not super optimistic for a 3b calling range UTGvsBB. This is a rare spot so 220 hands isn't going to mean much as to how the ranges actually look like. And if we don't get the ranges correctly, all the calcs are pretty much useless I'm afraid.
    Don't forget they're playing very deep . With 100bb it is optimistic, but I see guys doing it.

    Making these calculations will give you some kinda feeling when you're getting in such a situation. You have to do some kind of assumption, and this is one. So based on this assumption you can make a conclusion or decision
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