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07-03-2008 , 01:29 AM
Villain is 60/10/3 but over only 25 hands.

Party Poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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CO: $40.05
BTN: $8.45
SB: $31.65
Hero (BB): $36.40
UTG: $22.65

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with A 4
1 fold, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.75) A 7 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.75, CO raises to $1.50, SB folds, Hero calls $0.75

I led here since I think I'm getting called by draws and also I'd want to have a big pot I can bet into if I hit my runner runner.

Turn: ($3.75) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

I miss my runner flush but I still have some decent out to a straight and I do have TP and draws are possibly sticking around. My plan here was to c/c.

River: ($3.75) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.00, Hero raises to $3

I really didn't know whether to lead or check here. He very possibly just hit his flush so if I lead I'm not sure I can call a raise here. Checking seemed right since it gives him a chance to bluff at the pot and he also may think his Ax is good here.

His river bet was just WTF and I was kind of lost as what to do. Not sure about my raise size.
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07-03-2008 , 01:39 AM
I c/r this like never... pretty much total spew. b/f for ~2.75.
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07-03-2008 , 01:49 AM
I dont think the check on the river is bad, it lets a bad player use poor bet sizing to go to a cheap showdown.

But the check/raise....what do you think he just calls with that your ahead of?
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07-03-2008 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Paramon
I really didn't know whether to lead or check here. He very possibly just hit his flush so if I lead I'm not sure I can call a raise here. Checking seemed right since it gives him a chance to bluff at the pot and he also may think his Ax is good here.

His river bet was just WTF and I was kind of lost as what to do. Not sure about my raise size.
What? If you believe villain was drawing (and just hit that draw) why would you choose to CR him? IMO the flop minraise tends to be a draw or a set, but the check on the turn looks like villain is drawing at best. 2 pair/sets+ would try to extract value on the turn and checking behind here would be a terrible mistake if 2pr+ was his holding. The 4 completes straight and flush draws, and I think your best line is simply check/call at best, and check/fold if villain decides to move his stack. Like FusterCluck said, your river line is giant nasty spew.
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07-03-2008 , 01:57 AM
Thanks guys. I kinda thought about it and yeah I think the raise was prety spewy. Honestly, if he bet >$2 I would have just called but his bet size just threw me off.

Villain called and showed J7o btw.
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07-03-2008 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Paramon
Villain called and showed J7o btw.
One of the biggest leaks in poker is being results oriented. Im not trying to sound like a jerk but I know it was one of my biggest problems when I started playing about a year ago. We cant focus on what one person had one hand, we have to focus on what a 1000 people had 1000 hands. Just my .02
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07-03-2008 , 02:06 AM
lol wow I wish I could play at party. FWIW the rest of the hand was pretty standard, but almost always your spewing the river by raising there. NH
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07-03-2008 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jasons0147
One of the biggest leaks in poker is being results oriented. Im not trying to sound like a jerk but I know it was one of my biggest problems when I started playing about a year ago. We cant focus on what one person had one hand, we have to focus on what a 1000 people had 1000 hands. Just my .02
I agree 100%. I thought me posting this hand was not being results orientaited. I mean, if I was, I would have just done a little dance and laughed at how badly he played this.

I was just telling people what he had since I thought that from first few replies its pretty obviously established that I shouldn't have raised and the hand doesn't really warrant any other discussion.
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07-03-2008 , 02:14 AM
Kewl
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07-03-2008 , 02:19 AM
I don't think this is ROT at all. He asked pointed questions, and was open to any feedback about his line (which he made clear he was unsure of). That being said, OP, there are few times the results of the hand in question are actually relevant to the feedback. Mostly, they will actually skew the responses (zomg he had a flush, you should have folded the turn!!1!).
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