3betting this hand is fine, as long as you do it for reasons that he's a nit and you expect him to call too many hands OOP, do setmining with hands like 77. I don't really mind it for those reasons, but wouldn't 3bet this readless.

u should tone it down a little

*Basic math question


Can someone help explain this math to me for what the minimum pot odds need to be on the turn for bet/calling?




So let's say we bet $6.50 and get shoved on... We would need to call $13.02 to win $39.37, so we're getting 3 to 1.

I put this range in for the turn where we have 42% equity. So does that mean we need to be getting at least 2.5 to 1 on a call for it to be profitable? And since we get 3 to 1, we should be b/c'ing turn? Sorry if this is extremely basic stuff, but I've never been a math guy. I just sort of know it is a b/c OTT, but never knew the math behind it.

Also, what's the quickest way to figure out our equity on the fly OTT? We have 9 outs for the flush, 8 for the straight, 2 fours, and 3 sixes = 22 outs and double it is roughly 42%, right?

Board: Qd5d3h4s
Equity Win Tie
MP3 57.80% 57.58% 0.23% { 55+, 33, Q9s+, Q9o+ }
BU 42.20% 41.97% 0.23% { 6d4d }

suposing he has JJ you have 22outs thats ~44% and if you bet $7 ott and he puts you all in you have to call $12.5 into a pot of $40,something, almost 4 to 1 when you are going to win almost 1 out of 2, so you have to call obviously,
but against worst case scenario , him having a set, you have 17 outs, that's ~34% , so it's 4 to 1 into a 3 to 1 so it's acall

Another example, say we have 25% equity in a hand and are getting 4 to 1 on a call facing an all in. That would be breakeven to call, right?

As you can tell, I hated math class.

edit: How exactly are you getting 4 to 1 though? Isn't it $40/$12.50 that we have to call? and that's closer to 3 to 1 I thought?

yes, but you never now your exact equity because you don't know his game lol

Or is it $52.50/$12.50? So you have to add our remaining stack that we didn't call yet into the pot?

you have to add the pot ott + $7 dls bet and the call + his raise(not all in because he has more $ than you) so your $12.5 that you have behind
so thats 13.35+7+7+12.5 = 39.8 , so you have to call 12.5 to win a pot of 39.8 that's 3.2 to 1(i think), sry not 4 to 1 and your equity to win is ~44%/ 2.2 to 1 or something like that so you have to call
him having a set it's 2.9 to 1 against a 3.2 to 1 so it's a profitable call too
you can use a calculator to confirm, but you should do it fast without it in game, just using your brain skills lol

Yeah, that's usually what I do lol. I was just curious to see the exact math behind it, because I never really use these equity programs a whole lot. Thanks.

Now I remember what I was thinking of with this... Tell me if I'm doing this other method wrong or right.

So the pot facing us is $40 and we have to call $12.50, we add the $12.50 we need to call to the total pot and get $12.50/$52.50= 24%

So when doing it that way, our ~44% equity > 24% and we should call. Or for when he has only a set and we have to hit a straight or flush, our ~34% equity > 24%. Is this correct too?

*But I guess the other way is easier in game, we're getting 3.2 to 1 pot odds on a call and when we have ~34% to hit a straight or flush, that's 2.9 to 1 and 3.2>2.9.

it's correct, but you don't add your $12.50 to the pot , you add the $12.50 from your opponent that put you all in, you only add your $12.50 after you call(total pot)

Hero bets $6.50 OTT and MP shoves
Pot is $39.37
We have to call $13.02 more to win a total pot of $52.39

Equity we need to call to breakeven:
13.02/52.39 = 0.25 = 25%

Pot odds:
Current pot is $39.37 and we need to call $13.02 more
39.37:13.02 = 3:1

Converting ratio to %:
Pot odds are 3:1
As a fraction = 1/(3+1) = 1/4 = 0.25 = 25%

So basically the easiest way I find to make a quick calc in game is to work out roughly the pot odds and then change that to a % using the method above. For example 4:1 becomes 1/(4+1) = 1/5 = 20%, 2:1 becomes 1/(2+1) = 1/3 = 33% etc. If you memorise a few of these then you can just approximate the pot odds and make a rough guess on how much equity you need rather than trying to work it out exactly.

Cool man. Thanks a lot.