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07-14-2009 , 03:45 PM
UTG is 20/13 after 50 hands
Button is new to table.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $25.00
SB: $25.10
BB: $8.25
UTG: $10.05
MP: $29.00
Hero (CO): $24.95

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with J A
UTG raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.60) K J A (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50, UTG raises to $9.30 all in, Hero ...
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07-14-2009 , 03:48 PM
I call UTG doesn't have AK excusively here and he is short. He could even have Axss, Qxss that went for a CRAI to maximise FE repping AK/get a free card or he could have KJ and have slowplayed.

Don't mind the BTN, if he comes along all the better he has a draw at best.
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07-14-2009 , 05:37 PM
I snap call. Worst case he has a spade draw. Right now, Kx Ax would not be surprising. Qx drawing for the straight depending how crazy this guy is. RARELY QT. You should be way ahead and be more worried about BTN in my opinion..
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07-14-2009 , 05:53 PM
Don't we wanna shove over the guy? Charge BTN even more for his draw?

Last edited by TITANSMASH; 07-14-2009 at 05:55 PM. Reason: if that's what we think he has.
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07-14-2009 , 05:56 PM
Why are we putting BTN on a draw?
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07-14-2009 , 06:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sl8a
Why are we putting BTN on a draw?
The flop is AKJss. Everyone and their mother has a draw here.

in all seriousness, though, I still think we should shove over UTG.
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07-14-2009 , 08:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TITANSMASH

in all seriousness, though, I still think we should shove over UTG.
+1
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07-14-2009 , 08:57 PM
Results, even if they don't matter.

Flop: ($2.60) K J A (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50, UTG raises to $9.30 all in, Hero calls $6.80, BTN folds

Turn: ($23.70) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($23.70) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $23.70
UTG shows J J (three of a kind, Jacks)
Hero mucks J A
UTG wins $22.55
(Rake: $1.15)
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07-14-2009 , 09:02 PM
I def think a shove is good here considering UTG's stack size. I don't think it's that you're putting button on draw, it's just that aside from AK or a set (which you'd be forced to call anyway if you flatted and he raised) that's all he'd call with, so if you are going to stay with UTG then at least charge any of the draws that might call. I think KK are really the main thing you'd be worried about.

cliff notes: it's a fold or shove imo. i'd shove.

Last edited by dwaadk09; 07-14-2009 at 09:17 PM.
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07-14-2009 , 10:16 PM
Shorty's don't c/r often, they usually straight up shove with any piece of the flop so that's one thing that concerns me. But they'll still get cute with their 2p hands and flush draws thinking they're playing poker with a 30BB stack (flush draws sometime's they'll check trying to get a turn card and then be like "eh whatever i'll just shove" and sometimes they'll straight up shove). Nevertheless I think you're still ahead of plenty here. If he openshoved then i'm fistpumping all day.
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07-14-2009 , 10:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TITANSMASH
The flop is AKJss. Everyone and their mother has a draw here.

in all seriousness, though, I still think we should shove over UTG.
Yeah its a pretty co-ordinated flop but you don't want to overshove the button here because what hand that AJ 2 pair beats is he stacking off with? Especially with the aggression shown by UTG.

As played, I call here in this spot all day against a relative unknown. I am only folding against a nit reg who I have a couple hundred hands on.
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07-14-2009 , 11:28 PM
I figured it's either a shove or a fold bc of the hands button could call a shove with (actually not getting terrible odds at that). I think a combo-draw, which is a very possible and reasonable hand, would likely call, and even that's a dog. I understand villain has a substantial range ahead, but I'm thinking in EV terms against 40bb'ers... I think this hand is closer than it appears, and although there would def be places to dump it, I don't think this is one. If anyone feels like taking the time, when is a place to fold this, flat-call, or shove and why?
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