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01-24-2012 , 11:40 AM
No reads on villain at all, only thing I could say from the <20 hands I've seen him play is that he's not a maniac.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($19.75)
Hero ($38)
UTG ($11)
CO ($25.57)
BTN ($18.98)

Dealt to Hero A K

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.50, SB calls $1.75

FLOP ($5) 8 7 K

SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $7.25, Hero calls $4.25

TURN ($19.50) 8 7 K 8

SB bets $5.50 Hero ???

TPTK vs a 79bb stack who's cold called a 3b oop.

Perfect spot to stack off?

I'm only losing to 78, 77, K8 and a slow played AA. I'm pretty much removing 88 as its hard to make quads and I don't expect him to be raising 8x on the flop.

That said, he has to have a worse K, or be semi bluffing a straight draw for me to be ahead here and I don't expect an unknown to be raising those either.

Baluga Whale once said, any time you're raised postflop by a passive opponent, fold anything that's not 2 pair or better.

Is this one of those times?

Last edited by disinformation; 01-24-2012 at 11:47 AM.
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01-24-2012 , 11:46 AM
baluga does not apply in 3bet pots and yeah call or raise, just dont fold
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01-24-2012 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by disinformation
Then again, as Baluga Whale once said, any time you're raised postflop by a passive opponent, fold anything that's not 2 pair or better.
You don't know if he is passive yet. And it only applies in single raised patz

78 most likely isn't in his range (nobody flats a 3bet OOP with that unless they're really horrible)

I can see him playing KJ/KQ this way though, barely any hands beats you so I'm probably getting it in on the flop. Calling IP could be a option but don't think it's so solid as there would be nearly a 1/2 PSB left (even though flatting KJ/KQ OOP is horrible as well, but it's probably frequent with ****ty 25NL regs lol).
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01-24-2012 , 02:46 PM
Alrighty.
1. He didn't cold call you preflop. A cold call is when you call a 3bet after previously having had no money in the pot. For example, UTG opens, MP 3bets, and you cold call from the btn.
2. The baluga theorem states that c/c on the flop and c/r on the turn is a very strong line.
In this case, villain c/r flop. It's still a little iffy because this flop is so dry, what is he trying to represent? A set? 2p? I think it's most likely that he also hit a K and decided to raise you, which is spewey.

Point is, I would shove turn expecting to get called by any K.
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01-24-2012 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Darkk927
Alrighty.
1. He didn't cold call you preflop. A cold call is when you call a 3bet after previously having had no money in the pot. For example, UTG opens, MP 3bets, and you cold call from the btn.
Fair point

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Originally Posted by Darkk927
2. The baluga theorem states that c/c on the flop and c/r on the turn is a very strong line.
Yeah, I wasn't referring to his theorem. Just in a video he once said that any time a passive opponent raises, fold 1 pair.

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Originally Posted by Darkk927
In this case, villain c/r flop. It's still a little iffy because this flop is so dry, what is he trying to represent? A set? 2p? I think it's most likely that he also hit a K and decided to raise you, which is spewey.[/q

Point is, I would shove turn expecting to get called by any K.
I shoved turn and got shown K8s.

I've seen this quite a lot recently, I'm starting to think that folding 1 pair any time a drooler min raises the flop might not be such a bad strategy.
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01-24-2012 , 05:19 PM
TPTK in 3b pot vs supposed fish who's not playing full stacked isn't an happy shove OTF?
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01-24-2012 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by _Matt_
TPTK in 3b pot vs supposed fish who's not playing full stacked isn't an happy shove OTF?
If he's calling 3 streets we're ecstatic.

If he's min raising the flop and betting 25% pot on the turn it's a bit of a different situation.

I'm not saying it's a snap fold or anything, just that we should be paying attention to more than just our own cards.

I think maybe I could have gotten away here? We're repping a monster by 3 betting pre with no history and he still wants to get all the money in.
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