Not too many hands with the BB, but he was 52/13/0.7. I was planning to represent a monster and hope he gave in, hence the somewhat small flop raise and turn bet (looks like for value and I needed something left for the river). Thoughts?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $18.90
MP: $12.15
CO: $10.85
BTN: $24.65
Hero (SB): $25.60
BB: $20.10

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with K Q
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1.00) 9 J 7 (4 players)
Hero bets $0.75, BB raises to $1.50, MP folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $4, BB calls $2.50

Turn: ($9.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, BB calls $5

River: ($19.00) A (2 players)
Hero bets $10.25...

Raise pre! 3bet bigger on the flop, that makes up a good pot for a turnshove.

C/R A/I on the turn is best IMO.

Sherman

That doesn't make sense to me. 1) BB is passive, probably won't bet. 2) Doesn't line up with me 3 betting the flop, unless I have exactly a draw. 3) 4 doesn't change anything. I'm repping T8, 99, or 77 here, and they still should be betting to charge the draws.

I see your point, but the problem is that you stack size sucks in relation to the pot. You would like to semi-bluff A/I on the turn but your stack size won't let you. Check/raising seems like only viable way to do so.

I agree that it doesn't make sense with your flop play (i.e. for him to bet the turn), but if he does bet it makes your hand look even stronger IMO. (You 3 bet the flop and check/raised the turn).

Lastly, so what if he checks behind. You get a free look on a hand which you are now probably slighly behind anyway. Thats good IMO.

Sherman

I will sometimes, but it's definitely not a hand I love OOP in a multi-way pot. This table was relatively loose/passive, so I decided to keep it cheap, until I saw that flop. I do think a bigger 3 bet ($5.50?) + turn shove may work in this spot as well.

I agree with PF. If you were on the button then raise, but OOP with a playable hand I say see it cheaply. If you had K3o and wanted to steal from the limpres then making a PF raise makes sense, but at 25NL can we really count on anyone limp/folding?

Sherman

If you really believe these size bets/raises look like a sign of strength at these limits, then isn't his MR on the flop signaling sirens in your head? He's playing a "monster" in almost the exact same manner that you're trying to represent one and stringing you along with small raises and calls. I wouldn't expect too many folds on the turn or river.

I'm bumping PR, and playing it fast as hell. But as played, I'm slowing down on the turn because I just can't narrow his range down enough due to the missed PF raise.

I can see this point, but at the same token, how can he fire on the T&R with very minimal info on villains hand? He's still playing the hand out of position (just like he would've been with a PF raise), the only difference is, he has less information.

I just think if he's going to play it this fast OOP postflop he needs to develop more of a foundation for a read/range.

Hands like this I work backwards. If I expect him to call a 3 bet on the flop I will make the bet big enough so that I can make a pot sized shove on the turn (effective stacks). This will sometimes (like in this case) make your raises on the flop an unorthodox amount but I find it seems to work best.

Using the effective stacks he has ~$20 left (prior to flop betting). So that means if I raise to $6 on the flop he will have ~$14 left if he calls. This will make the pot ~$13.00 (minus rake). This gives me a pot sized river shove for the rest of his chips.

Limping pre is ugly IMO. With his stats if he minraises I would either just shove on flop or call and then try to get to river as cheaply as possible and only bet if we hit something. I prefer the shove. As played I think river bet is major spew against this type of player. I think he has TPTK or better to minraise us, I wouldn't expect many folds unless he is passive/tight kind of person.

I think not raising pf is a preference thing, and its totally fine to see a cheap flop with a hand like this oop.
Flop play is fine I guess you made a really small 3bet thinking there are a lot of turn cards that can improve your hand and you dont mind to keep him in the pot?
But once the turn bricks, even assuming ur K and Q are clean outs you are still a 3:2 underdog. I am not sure what are you trying to accomplish with your bet sizing since its hard to think he will fold for $5 on a brick turn card when he called $4 on the flop. I guess you are just trying to buy a cheap river card?
On the river you are offering him 3-1 on a call while all the draws on the flop missed. The only thing u r folding out are busted draws which u beat anyways (even tho u cant call if u check the river and he shoves) and he is getting very good odds to call with any pair he has that has made it to the river.

80BB is just a bit too short for this line, IMO. This is fine like ~150BB deep where you can pot the turn and river, but at 80 you have to call the flop raise and CRAI the turn if you want to get it in with any fold equity.

And this is the wrong villain. 52/13/0.7 means he calls way too much. Pushing him off a pair isn't the way to get his money, valubetting the **** out of a better pair is.

And PF, I raise this 100% of the time to isolate this guy. Yes, even OOP.

Again, I didn't raise preflop because that raise wouldn't isolate anyone. Or if it did, it's going to be a bloated pot OOP. AK or AQ would be a different story.

As it happened, villain tanked on the river and folded. So he didn't have AJ, most likely KJ or QJ.