19/14/3.5 3bet



Call turn and call all rivers? Ship over? Should we ever consider folding?

This is sick i don't see me folding in this spot. I would ship it only if villian is a fish. So I think call turn and call river is the best way to go. Even though it's quite hard to find a hand that we beat.

Obvious set is obvious.

Fold.

Can't really find a hand we beat he would do this with besides 66 or 88 so.. Fold

Well, fold its pretty obvious here.

Im sure you will be doing better just flatting turn anyways (not raising turn donkbet), raising is like meh, we are raising for value but folding to a RR. I highly doubt a guy this tight call turn Raise and call river a shove with Kx.

Problem is villain donking this flop is so strong or air. What semibluffs he can have?.

Repping 88 but can't fold sets.
Prob call down most river and sizing

This

What? Can't fold sets?

Snap fold on the turn after he 3bets your raise. SB is a nit. Nits don't get creative. What does this line look like? Nuts or air. And what do nits not like to do? Get creative by bluffing big. So what does it leave us with? Nuts.

Id reraise donk bet and fold to 4 bet on the flop. The top of his range here would be a set, villain is unlikely to have top set as he would 3 bet pre and you have bottom set and this villain cannot possibly have 2 pair. He might be trying to get tricky (still unlikely) by donking but once he four bets your 3bet flop raise its time to muck.

^It would be a 3 bet not a 4 bet. Raising flop is pretty bad, shouldn't have a raising range on this dry board.

Apologies, so where do u fold on the turn?

I fold to his 3 bet on turn. He doesn't do this with anything but a set.

At the micro's I use as a rule of thumb that a c/r or 3b on the turn = (second)nuts. Unless I have specific reads I will always try to find a fold. Has saved me a lot of money over time.

I noticed everyone said fold which made me think...is it better to call turn and all rivers instead of raising? Should we call turn raise river? Or is the way we still played it (was planning to bet river if he called turn) the highest value

Raise fold 22 and 66
Consider calling down with 88
Call down with KK

What is the reason of raise/fold 22 and 66? Protection against spades and for information?
Isn't it better to keep his range wider by call/call? Plus we can get to showdown, risking a bit more though. Can we just call/fold river if we think he range is so nutted? Is it better to raise/fold some bluffs instead?

If we had 88 it's totally different story and we would be happy to gii vs. 22.

nah, what was I thinking..

I wouldn't raise/fold anything I'm value raising on the turn. Doing so allows villain to 3bet any two cards profitably.

We're going to save some money against opponents who are way underbluffing by raise/folding 22 but we're going to lose more to those who are overbluffing. Simply because the latter will raise a wider range, making us fold incorrectly more often.

Assuming villain 3bets sets + bluffs on the turn, we're blocking a huge part of his value range by having 22. Removing close to 1/2 of his value range (I expect 88 to check flop and KK to 3bet preflop) will have a huge impact on his value to bluff ratio. Unless he's extremely imbalanced toward value, blocking 22 should give us a +EV call down.