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04-26-2008 , 10:13 PM
Villain is 33/3/1/30

Hand #1
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

CO: $23.65
BTN: $9.65
SB: $35.95
BB: $31.45
UTG: $24.65
UTG+1: $58.35
Hero (MP): $24.80

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with A K
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) 5 J 7 (2 players)
BB bets $5.50, Hero??

I'm having trouble assessing a range here. The best I came up with is 55/77/JJ/57/AJ/KJ/QJ/68 and maybe QQ/KK/AA (I've seen it at least, though not from this guy). Of course this could also be random PP's and hands that I even beat right now. Basically I've got no idea but against the range I gave I'm 40%...

Thoughts?

MP1 is 39/3/.17/41
BB is 43/8/1/39

Hand #2
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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BTN: $16.80
SB: $13.95
BB: $55.10
Hero (UTG): $26.60
UTG+1: $35.05
MP1: $12.60
MP2: $25.95
CO: $25.00

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with 7 7
Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, MP1 calls $1, 4 folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.10) 5 6 2 (3 players)
BB bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4.25, MP1 calls $4.25, BB calls $2.75

Turn: ($15.85) 4 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero picked up outs, but other than that doesn't know much of what's going on...

Is this a clear c/f or an obvious $12?
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04-27-2008 , 02:33 AM
i think the first one is a wtf and either fold or shove doesnt matter too much.

the second one i check but the flop raise is actually pretty terrible
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04-27-2008 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
i think the first one is a wtf and either fold or shove doesnt matter too much.

the second one i check but the flop raise is actually pretty terrible

So I'm guessing that means fold the flop on the second one?

Also, what makes the raise bad?
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04-27-2008 , 01:46 PM
The first hand is a tough spot. A lol\wtf situation where you're not sure if you have 12 outs, or 15. You aren't getting the odds to call here, unless your call will induce villian to check the turn. If he would check the turn, then you can call the flop.

I don't like your range assessment here. You say "55/77/JJ/57/AJ/KJ/QJ/68 and maybe QQ/KK/AA". I don't think his play makes sense for that range. His over-bet suggests to me he has a weak hand, but a little something. Range I would assign is more like small pp, TT-88, JT-J8, T9, 89-86, flush draw, and maybe QQ. You don't have much information on villain, but I think your range assessment gives him WAY too much credit. Though you don't have many hands on him, 33/3/1/30 is "enough minimal" information to know he isn't shaping up to be a TAGish type player. Sadly, I don't like reraising this spot because you don't know how villain will react with his given range. Is he the kind of guy who will stack off with JT-J9, TT here? Given his flop action, I assume yes. Had it been a PSB or less, I would prefer a raise to a call/fold in this spot.



The second hand, I like the raise. You are most likely ahead here, and have 2 opponents. You need to thin the field, and\or find out where you are. When they both call, I am looking at pot control on the turn to induce river bluff.

c/f and betting big are not your only two options on the turn. The big bet loses value against the hands you beat, and commits you on the river unless a spade hits. c/f (to a non monster bet) is well, too nittish - why even raise 77 in this spot then?

Last edited by CCCP; 04-27-2008 at 01:52 PM.
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04-27-2008 , 01:49 PM
Shove hand one.

As CDL stated that raise is horrible. As played c/c? Not really sure, but folding after you raise that flop and that specific turn hits sounds bad.
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04-27-2008 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by speedle
Shove hand one.

As CDL stated that raise is horrible. As played c/c? Not really sure, but folding after you raise that flop and that specific turn hits sounds bad.
If I'm behind on the flop why would I c/c the turn? I mean, unless MP1 bets $5 and BB calls that seems bad too seeing as how it looks like I need 5-1.

Would the flop raise be bad if MP1 wasn't in the hand?
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04-27-2008 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by R18A1I4
So I'm guessing that means fold the flop on the second one?

Also, what makes the raise bad?
why wouldnt you just call flop in hand 2?

What are you raising for is it value or as a bluff? If its a bluff I dont like it because what better hand folds? For value its really really thin.
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04-27-2008 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
why wouldnt you just call flop in hand 2?

What are you raising for is it value or as a bluff? If its a bluff I dont like it because what better hand folds? For value its really really thin.
I feel like I must be missing something here. If BB is donking a flush draw or overcards and I've got an opponent behind me who may also be on one of the two, why would I want either or especially both of them in the hand?

I do think that if I'm intending on MP1 remaining in the hand then it's too thin to raise for value.
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