Bovada anonymous, no reads on villain and he just sat 3 hands ago.

Have to jam now. I just call pre vs 4x open vs unknown.

Calling pre aswell

Calling did go through my mind since it was 4x.

Are you jamming still if he had made it $8.50-9?

Vs 4x, yes flat
As played jam now. Its the bottom of my valuejamming range

I 3 bet/jam also vs unknown

also flatting pre vs 3x open

You guys folding 99 to his 4bet? Better yet, what's your range for jamming here vs. an unknown?

Jam now, I flat this sometimes, sometimes 3b. I wouldn't really be 3b'ing 99 vs an unknown but I probably wouldn't 3b/fold it if we did elect to 3b.

I think you should be flatting a ton and 3bet polarized in BvB

in my case that means i'm flatting TT

the only right answer for your question is in your DB, as that's where you can see how much people 4bet bvb on avg.

Cool thanks guys, I'll try just calling with 99 and 1010 pre vs. unknowns next time.

As for 3bet bluffing in this spot vs. an unknown, would you rather do it with a hand like K5s and just call with hands like 78s?

Flatting the 4bet with TT is horrible imo, it tilts me so much when people do it to me and flop a miracle hand. Not trying to be harsh btw, just had this happen to me a couple of times in the last few days lol.

If you can 3bet/5bet it is because you expect people to call 3bets a good amount and 4bet bluff also (or get it in with worse obv). 5betting to fold out 4bet bluffs and having ok equity vs a stacking range is much better than flatting a 4bet and playing in a big pot with what will usually turn out to be a marginal hand.

I would 3bet/5bet here vs lots of people fwiw but I play pretty loose atm. Think not 3betting is probably a better overall strategy at 25NL, especially vs unknowns.

As for the question above I would call both hands but I would def call 87s, and 3bet K5s if I wasn't going to flat it.

I don't mind a jam here bvb

Also if villain had KK here and you played it on Sunday I'm pretty sure it was me

Yeah it was, lol. NH.

Your sizing is bad

I don't think anyone suggested flatting the 4bet? I agree it's bad, but it depends on sizing on both ends and stacks obv.

yes

+1

Flat 4b. Don't 3b so big

flatting the 4 bet is not bad imo

grunch, turbo 3b/5b bvb not close

Now that people have will someone explain why it isn't bad 100bb deep? Are you 3bet/calling stuff like AJs as well?

Fk me it's pretty much do what your gut tells you...but my end is call to the turn/river and see what he does then...if he checks...well I guess you can figure it out from there,

Sometimes you just gotta pay just to know what your facing...but throughout the next duration of hands...you have the position on this fish if it turns to be that way

well, if you're 3betting 2.5x and someone is 4betting 2.1x or whatever you should def start calling with stuff and maybe it's the case here as well

i dunno if people 4bet light enough and how postflop has to work out, which seems like a bunch of abacadabra to figure out (to me at least). But I'm sure folding/jamming will be a theoretical mistake at a certain point so then you're left with calling

anyway, this is where i'm advocating some exploitable stuff because I think i'm pretty well aware of how these stakes play but I don't play on bovada so I actually don't really know, in which case you might want to listen to Cam or OP should research his DB, which I think I said before when he posted similar hands

Yeah makes sense, I would have said jam always given the sizings here though. Could def be wrong.

Usually a good idea

Flat the 4bet and definitely do 3bet ainec

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