PFR : 9/6/3.7 over 635 (not post flop important)

Super Villain : 14/11/2, 4% 3b over 327
28% ATS


Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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BTN: $29.97
SB: $26.27
BB: $6.28
UTG: $21.15
UTG+1: $11.44
UTG+2: $4.14
MP1: $8.55
Hero (MP2): $38.70
CO: $30.95

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP2 with A K
UTG raises to $1, 3 folds, Hero calls $1, CO calls $1, 3 folds

Didn't 3b PF this time vs nit, something i've been trying out

Flop: ($3.35) A 5 T (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.50, CO raises to $3, UTG folds, Hero calls $1.50

Is this a good spot to 3b? OOP and he can do this with random stuff? Or is that just narrowing his range down to the value far too much?

Turn: ($9.35) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5, Hero calls $5

Expect him to bet anything here

River: ($19.35) J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $8, Hero ?

I know OMG 3:1?? Gotz to call man, i don't care about the pot odds here honestly

He's playing AT/AJ/AQ imo, but I'm snap calling. Raise the turn FWIW, money should be going in there.

You got valuetowned here imo...

Against a UTG raiser and caller I don't see AT-AQ in his range unless it's suited. I don't think he's going to minraise/bet/bet with it though (also considering his AF of 2?). This feels like a set so bad.

I don't think I can fold the flop but meh... fold turn or river I guess. There are no draws out there so he isn't semibluffing and again, I just don't see many weaker A' in his range and taking this line.

Im not sure why you didn't 3bet the flop. If you had done that then you can fold if he 4bets (doubt he'd 4bet with anything less than 2pair) or if he calls then you can control the pot the rest of the way and get paid off from his Ax

Terrible advice ITT. You played it fine, call now. And yes the odds do matter, you need to be right less and less often for a call to be profitable. You can construct a tight enough range where its a fold, but if you aren't pretty confident his range has you crushed equity wise, its not going to be much of a mistake to call getting 3:1 here.

But what's villains preflop calling range and his flop c/r (turnbet riverbet) range? I just don't see hands villain would bet and keep firing with here which we beat.

Would he really call an UTG (who is pretty tight) raise and call with a hand like AT, AQ? Would he really keep firing with a T, or a JJ/QQ hand?

As played it's a pretty hard fold, maybe even impossible... But I still think villain is valuetowning here. Problem is, where to get out? Folding to the flop minraise is so weak. Maaaaybe turn? But if you call turn you should also call river.

3betting flop would be very bad imo. There are no draws out there, you are way ahead or way behind and the only thing 3betting does is make him continue with his strongest range. And how the hell do you potcontrol if you 3bet? The pot will be way to bloated (by the 3bet itself, not really potcontrolling) and it's hard for the stacks not to get in after it...

I'll just call it down and note that he 'valuetowned' or 'bet KK' for half pot on turn and river after minraising flop.

If we 3bet like 2x his raise then we can fold to a 4bet which would save us more money than calling him on the later streets. If he calls then i think AJ/AQ/AXs are most likely his holding and he will just call us down if we bet 40% of the pot on the turn then 30% on the river because he obviously wouldn't raise us with AJ/AQ which means if he does raise us we can confidently fold.

The thing i don't like about just calling his flop raise is that if he does have AJ/AQ/AXs then he is gonna continue firing and we are gonna have no clue if he has a set; exactly what happened

Seems like there is an unusual amount of raising for information posts this week.

Anyway, what you're talking about is "finding where we're at" aka what fish do all the time. Poker is tough for the very reason people inherently want to do this. It's the reason why some say call down with TPTK as a bluff catcher and others contently fold b/c they don't believe they're being bluffed enough in this spot to BE or be slightly profitable.

As for the counter argument of we save money by raising for information, that's horribly wrong. Take the # of times you would like to know your villains likely holdings and you raise, he folds a large % of what we want value from, continues with some draws and mostly what beats us. If we Compound that, we win a little when were ahead and lose a lot when he continues.

I was thinking set too, but those are some ridiculously sized turn and river bets. I don't know if this opponent would do that since he seems competent based on being 14/11, but flop minraises are often bluffs against a c-bet.

Hehe, and I thought minraises are also often nut-kinda hands where villain doesn't want you to fold

But it's tough, perhaps if villain went full speed ahead he thinks hero might be able to fold one pair hands? The board is dry as crap so no need to worry about being outdrawn or protecting the hand.

The betsizing makes us want to call, but what if they're intended like that. Meh... dunno, I'm a weak nit so I fold too much anyway (except when I should).

As a rule of thumb, flop minraise=weak, turn minraise=strong, river minraise=moderate - that's how I play it. Obviously villain dependent.

I think I hate it but I call. Pretty sure we're being value towned, but I don't see a good time to fold. Kinda depends on how fishy we think villain is. Could he do this with AQ, AJ? The bad part is even AJ beats us on the river.

What do we think his range is on the river?

AK, AQ, AJ, AT, 55, TT

maybe throw in a small amount of air. I don't have stove at work but I'm guessing with that range it's a fold.

There more or less only 2 reasons for reraising (or betting in general) - either for value when you are confident you are ahead or as a bluff when you think you are behind and that it's a good spot to bluff. Reraising "for information", i.e. to try to figure out his range, is not a valid reason, does not give you that "information" and actually loses you money and does not "save you" any money on later streets.

The reason - when opponent is likely behind but you are not sure of it, and you reraise "for info" and opponent folds, you lose value and do not get paid off with a better hand. When opponent is likely ahead, but you are not sure, and if you reraise and he calls, you lose your additional reraise bet and now have to fold to the next bet, even if your hand has some value. If instead you call and get to showdown, some of the times (maybe even a small percentage of times) you will actually win, and will recuperate any losses that you suffer by calling the later streets.