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05-24-2016 , 10:21 PM
Was doubting whether this is too exploitable or not and if betting turn is too thin. Villain seems tight reg.

partypoker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 114.48 BB (VPIP: 17.21, PFR: 12.60, 3Bet Preflop: 4.67, Hands: 373)
Hero (SB): 169.6 BB
BB: 305.88 BB (VPIP: 16.28, PFR: 12.99, 3Bet Preflop: 7.23, Hands: 1,025)
UTG: 176.24 BB (VPIP: 21.56, PFR: 15.88, 3Bet Preflop: 5.41, Hands: 3,128)
MP: 165.08 BB (VPIP: 28.79, PFR: 21.10, 3Bet Preflop: 7.48, Hands: 1,615)
CO: 99.72 BB (VPIP: 21.52, PFR: 17.10, 3Bet Preflop: 5.02, Hands: 1,665)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, BTN calls 7 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 4 8 9
Hero bets 12 BB, BTN calls 12 BB

Turn: (45 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, BTN bets 21.36 BB, Hero calls 21.36 BB

River: (87.72 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BTN bets 71.12 BB and is all-in, fold

BTN wins 154.48 BB
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05-25-2016 , 08:42 AM
Niiiit nit nit nit fish nit

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05-25-2016 , 08:45 AM
Nit nit nit nit. Please say this was a missclick haha. He should almost always 4b AA pre. He is also a nit so should have QQ and JJ which he plays like this

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05-25-2016 , 08:47 AM
Why on earth do you think villain has QQ/JJ here? He almost always 3bets those pre.
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05-25-2016 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by mahsjdi
Why on earth do you think villain has QQ/JJ here? He almost always 3bets those pre.
Hero 3 bet.
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05-25-2016 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by IamMrLorax
Niiiit nit nit nit fish nit

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Originally Posted by IamMrLorax
Nit nit nit nit. Please say this was a missclick haha. He should almost always 4b AA pre. He is also a nit so should have QQ and JJ which he plays like this

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I expected him to check back these hands most of th time and jam river with his sets (which are all TT, 44, 99, 88). Next to that I also block some of his floats which I beat.


Btw mate, Im always open for critisicm, but you dont have to bring it like a 12-year old. Just reminding you

Last edited by Whittey Houston; 05-25-2016 at 12:53 PM.
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05-25-2016 , 12:49 PM
We get value from JJ/QQ (12) and lose to 88/99/TT/QJs (13) so betting and checking both seem fine.

Cant see why were folding river when this is the near top of our range though.
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05-25-2016 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by GCheng
We get value from JJ/QQ (12) and lose to 88/99/TT/QJs (13) so betting and checking both seem fine.

Cant see why were folding river when this is the near top of our range though.
Thats true! The thing though is I dont expect him to always jam QQ and JJ on the river. My hand is kinda face up and you would have to expect him to jam QQ and JJ a near 100 percent of the time OTR (or turn a hand like JT in a bluff), which I doubt is gonna happen bc he could just check and take the free showdown with the strong bluffcatcher.
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05-25-2016 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Whittey Houston
Thats true! The thing though is I dont expect him to always jam QQ and JJ on the river. My hand is kinda face up and you would have to expect him to jam QQ and JJ a near 100 percent of the time OTR (or turn a hand like JT in a bluff), which I doubt is gonna happen bc he could just check and take the free showdown with the strong bluffcatcher.
If he jams all his value combos (13) and half of QQ/JJ (6) this is still approximately breakeven. Add on the fact that he can have some bluffs and that we have no better hands to call (Should be balancing our turn vbetting range with flush draws so we dont have flushes often) and it becomes a clear call IMO. If were not calling KK what hands are we calling on this river card that x/c turn?
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05-25-2016 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by GCheng
If he jams all his value combos (13) and half of QQ/JJ (6) this is still approximately breakeven. Add on the fact that he can have some bluffs and that we have no better hands to call (Should be balancing our turn vbetting range with flush draws so we dont have flushes often) and it becomes a clear call IMO. If were not calling KK what hands are we calling on this river card that x/c turn?
Good point. I think we got a winner here
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05-25-2016 , 02:05 PM
Folding OTR is exploitable but vs this villain, I'm okay with it. We're literally hoping to see QQ,JJ and I'm sure he 4bs QQ at least sometimes pre. Also, he could have AdJd, AdQd, QJ, sets, or sometimes T9s type hands.
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05-25-2016 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mahsjdi
Why on earth do you think villain has QQ/JJ here? He almost always 3bets those pre.
We 3b???? And 5nl nits rarely 4b them and have no clue postflop
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05-25-2016 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Whittey Houston
I expected him to check back these hands most of th time and jam river with his sets (which are all TT, 44, 99, 88). Next to that I also block some of his floats which I beat.


Btw mate, Im always open for critisicm, but you dont have to bring it like a 12-year old. Just reminding you
Yeah sorry bro haha but you are missing insane value. I think he folds 44 pre some of the time. Also when a 5nl sees an over pair he often goes with it + you are getting~2:1 meaning he needs to have QQ/JJ/spazz bluff (everyone has some) 1/3 which is definatly happening imo.
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05-25-2016 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by IamMrLorax
Yeah sorry bro haha but you are missing insane value. I think he folds 44 pre some of the time. Also when a 5nl sees an over pair he often goes with it + you are getting~2:1 meaning he needs to have QQ/JJ/spazz bluff (everyone has some) 1/3 which is definatly happening imo.
Its ok Yeah given the prize its more of a call I think afterwards given the prize were getting, although I do still think its actually pretty close.
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