Hey all,

I've really been struggling a lot lately to start, I notice a common thread involves when I raise with hands just on the bubble of 4 betting (AQ, TT, JJ etc.), and while I try and mix it up so my 3-bet flat range isn't capped low, it seems to just wind up getting me stacked a lot no matter what I do.

Villain was 18/14/0 in 27 hands -- this was his first 3 bet in 14 opportunities, so I respected it as being pretty solid.

Thoughts on the big decision here, as well as how I played the rest of the hand (in spoilers)

Check/call flop, you generally shouldn't be folding TPTK OTF in a 3bet pot. As played, what's up with the flop sizing?

Villain showing up with KK isn't really relevant.

Villain was 18/14/0 in 27 hands -- this was his first 3 bet in 14 opportunities, so I respected it as being pretty solid.

well I just fold pre

If I check call and the same turn card (6) comes up, what do I do on the turn? check-call again?

4b or fold pre.
When we call (large) 3bets oop we r playing guessing game poker (not a good thing to do) i try to avoid that at all costs. That's why 4betting turning our hand into a bluff is better imo. It keeps things simple and u invest the same amount of money or less 4Bet/fold to $5.75. Instead of spending $5.87 ($2.50 pre + $3.37 flop) playing guessing game. Keep it simple and 4bet or fold.

AP peel turn and fold to further aggression if unimproved/reevaluate. By just calling we keep vill's range wide
DO NOT post results please.


GLGL

If I 4-bet and he shoves, then I assume a fold is warranted, as spewy as it sounds?

I've also heard someone suggest fold, do you think that's possible? That seems overly tight but I mean, from a solid 3-better it doesn't sound unreasonable.

Would you consider any action on the turn if a 3rd heart / broadway scare card comes on teh turn?

Yeah, I thought putting them in spoiler tags were okay -- but I guess that just invites people to, well, spoil them :P I'll just edit it out next time.

Thanks for your feedback!

''If I 4-bet and he shoves, then I assume a fold is warranted, as spewy as it sounds?''>exactly because is more spewy to call call call

Like in this scenario > ''If I check call and the same turn card (6) comes up, what do I do on the turn? check-call again? '' > i wouldn't be able to fold on that turn.

''I've also heard someone suggest fold, do you think that's possible?''> absolutely yes. As a matter of fact this should be our default play imo. I am just being aggro-fancy by 4betting.

U said it urself> ''Villain was 18/14/0 in 27 hands -- this was his first 3 bet in 14 opportunities, so I respected it as being pretty solid.''

''Would you consider any action on the turn if a 3rd heart / broadway scare card comes on teh turn?'' > think we should be done with the hand in that situ.

Yeah spoilers are for the fun sections BBV stuff like that.

GLGL

Yep somebody spoiled your spoiler.
At this point he isn't 3betting light, or if he is let's assume his bluffs have good equity. So we don't really want to call, but it is preferable to 4betting which folds out worse and we have to get it in bad or fold a strong hand.

What hands do you like 4-betting here? KK+/AK?

And I assume that if the villain's PFR is much juicier (like a track record of 3-bet around 10% or so) that you still prefer the "4-bet, fold if shoved" line?

''What hands do you like 4-betting here?''> 4b/gii with QQ+ and AK yes

And I assume that if the villain's PFR is much juicier (like a track record of 3-bet around 10% or so) that you still prefer the "4-bet, fold if shoved" line? > Absolutely yes.

Please keep in mind that i am a 10nl (winning) reg and prolly should just be lurking at hands that r above my stakes LOL!

GLGL

Well right now you're a winning 10NL player and I'm a losing 25NL player so I'm in no position to reject your advice :P

TYTY!