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03-21-2008 , 01:01 AM

egraul

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BB: t1525
Hero (BTN/SB): t1475

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN/SB with J

Hero raises to t125, BB calls t75

Flop: (t250) A

(2 players)
BB checks

Hero?

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03-21-2008 , 03:01 AM

skates

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fires 175-200? And 3bets it all-in?

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03-21-2008 , 05:07 AM

RoccoGe

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Lol you really 3 bet it all in if u get RR small?
I mean maybe i'm kind nitty,but usually when i get CR here is either a good aces or a flushdraw,and your equity is ****ed vs both.

Rocco

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03-21-2008 , 12:52 PM

egraul

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BB: t1525
Hero (BTN/SB): t1475

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN/SB with J

Hero raises to t125, BB calls t75

Flop: (t250) A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t175, BB raises to t600

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03-21-2008 , 01:34 PM

jiacstrap

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Originally Posted by egraul

Hero raises to t125, BB calls t75

Flop: (t250) A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t175, BB raises to t600

Im not sure if this is the right play, but this is why I have started to check behind on flops like this. HU cash im firing out a cont bet, but sit and go I rather check behind and bet when my draw hits. If he RR light I shove, but I would have to fold to this RR I think.

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03-21-2008 , 01:57 PM

skates

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I still shove.

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03-21-2008 , 02:16 PM

filthyvermin

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Originally Posted by skates

I still shove.

so you fold with the 9-18 outs you have in the other thread, but you shove here with 8 outs?

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03-21-2008 , 02:30 PM

jay_shark

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I personally fold on the flop unless I have additional information on my expected fold equity.

I believe you get looked up here a lot if you shove since may draws become pot committed. Your opponent would be getting just under 3:1 pot odds which makes calling a likely possibility from his point of view.

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03-21-2008 , 02:49 PM

Aces0Kingz

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fold this on the flop. i sometimes check and peel here this is HU its not like you cant get it allin on the river with only 10% of your stack in the middle.

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03-21-2008 , 03:32 PM

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skates

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The situation in the other thread is very very different. And saying we have 8 outs isn't even close to correct. We have 13 outs quite a bit, sometimes 14. We also have folding equity against some of the 9s and Ts that think we can't do this without an ace, as well as against the part of villain's range that is completely air.

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03-21-2008 , 03:38 PM

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Hince

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Bet fold the flop, you can't always call down every draw.

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03-21-2008 , 03:56 PM

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daveT

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Sometimes there is a total ****** c/ring here, but that seems unlikely here. I don't see a good reason to check behind on a flop just because it is ace-high, however taking a free card isn't a bad idea.

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03-21-2008 , 06:55 PM

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ghettointlectual

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given that this is the third blind level I think op should have given some reads into his opponent, absent of any reads this decision can be argued convincingly either way. With reads it becomes a lot easier to find the best line to take

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03-21-2008 , 08:43 PM

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Kalledrengen

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I agree that on the 25/50 blind lvl you should definitely be able to provide some basic information about villain.

With no read I always c-bet here for sure. Against unknown villain I think I probably fold to his c/r knowing I probably have close to zero fold equity as he will probably call with any draw aswell given he has 12xbb of his 30xbb already in the pot.

I think it is close though and I don't think calling is super bad either, especially not if you have just a bit of a read that could make his range a bit wider.

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