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04-05-2008 , 06:46 AM

allinNinja

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 173

It was my first $22, 3rd hand against unknown villain. he could have 44, maybe 88 but this is snap shove?

$22 USD Buy-in No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 2 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

Hero (SB): t2080
BTN/BB: t1920

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A

Hero raises to t100, BTN/BB calls t100

Flop: (t200) 8

(2 players)
BTN/BB checks, Hero bets t199, BTN/BB raises to t398, Hero?

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04-05-2008 , 09:52 AM

jay_shark

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Depending on the opponent, you may re-raise or call. Since villain is unknown, it's not a bad idea to re-raise at the very least.

If he has pocket 4's or pocket 8's then so be it.

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04-05-2008 , 10:38 AM

scutch

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 233

Why the raise of 199? Anytime I see this I just presume the opp is just mucking around, which is generally the case. Anyway its a nobrainer reraise or shove without any read.

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04-05-2008 , 02:02 PM

Hince

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What is his range for min c/ring? I realize he is unknown, but I would think it's something like a K 'feeling where it is' a draw, two pair, a set or a total bluff.

If you shove, much of the range you are beating is folding. If you just call, you can get more from the bluffs and semi-bluffs and a weaker king on the turn. Since you are willing to get it in on the flop, why not just call and see if he bombs the turn?

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04-05-2008 , 02:20 PM

skates

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Originally Posted by Hince

Since you are willing to get it in on the flop, why not just call and see if he bombs the turn?

Because a turn could bring a 3rd heart or an ace, both of which may make villain reluctant to get it all in.

The board has a heart draw and not much else; my default is to repop.

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04-05-2008 , 02:23 PM

allinNinja

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you think calling on two heart flop against an unknown villain is profitable?
i don't know really, im very bad in this situations. but lets say i call and the third heart hit on turn, but villain insta shove it. i it would be really hard for me to call then and i would have 25% of my chips in the pot.
i got a feel for what are you trying to tell me. but could you explain this approach a little more in depth to me please.

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04-05-2008 , 02:50 PM

KSmith2k7

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this is a shove 100% of the time

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04-05-2008 , 05:00 PM

Hince

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Originally Posted by skates

Because a turn could bring a 3rd heart or an ace, both of which may make villain reluctant to get it all in.

The board has a heart draw and not much else; my default is to repop.

so what does he have? 2 pair or better, a draw, or a weaker king, right?

How many of those hands are calling a shove? And how is our equity against those hands?

If he is min-raising with a king "to see where he is" you've totally let him off the hook. If he is doing this with 2 pair, he has us right where he wants. We also have position, why not use it? We also have a heart and can block his draw, as well as redraw if he should hit it.

By shoving you let him play perfectly...

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04-05-2008 , 07:39 PM

KSmith2k7

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Originally Posted by Hince

By shoving you let him play perfectly...

good let him play perfectly, its a 22$ SnG

and what do u think a better option is, the 3bet minraise??? sigh donkaments

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04-05-2008 , 07:43 PM

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xSCWx

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Originally Posted by allinNinja

You would have TPTK with a redraw for the 2nd nuts in a raised pot... if you have trouble getting this in then you are playing WAY too tight.

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04-05-2008 , 08:39 PM

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jay_shark

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Originally Posted by KSmith2k7

this is a shove 100% of the time

Wrong.

It's definitely a shove most of the time, but not 100% of the time.

Wanna challenge me on this?

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04-06-2008 , 12:29 AM

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HokieGreg

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Originally Posted by KSmith2k7

good let him play perfectly, its a 22$ SnG

and what do u think a better option is, the 3bet minraise??? sigh donkaments

even though you are right, i still think you are a massive douchebag

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04-06-2008 , 12:38 AM

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TNixon

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If he is min-raising with a king "to see where he is" you've totally let him off the hook.

Practically zero villains at $22 are folding any king here to any bet. And a lot of them won't fold most 8s or flush draws either, and some won't fold any pair at all, or even a gutshot draw.

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04-06-2008 , 06:53 AM

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Kalledrengen

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You definitely wanna get it in here all the time against unknown villain in a $22 for sure.

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04-06-2008 , 09:08 AM

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allinNinja

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here is the rest of the action.

$22 USD Buy-in No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 2 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

Hero (SB): t2080
BTN/BB: t1920

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A

Hero raises to t100, BTN/BB calls t100

Flop: (t200) 8

(2 players)
BTN/BB checks, Hero bets t199, BTN/BB raises to t398, Hero raises to t1960 all in, BTN/BB calls t1402 all in

Turn: (t3800) 3

(2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t3800) 6

(2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t3800
Hero shows Ac Kh (a pair of Kings)
BTN/BB shows Ah 2h (high card Ace)
Hero wins t3840

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