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10-22-2009 , 03:16 AM
Good number of hands in against solid villain. Villain started off aggressively, 3betting my first button raise and pushing me off my hands post-, but cooled down after I started playing back. No showdowns so far; villain varies button raise pre- so this slightly normal pfr doesn't mean too much.


Full Tilt Poker $20 + $1 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BB): t1800 M = 60
BTN/SB: t1200 M = 40

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with 2 A
BTN/SB raises to t70, Hero calls

Flop: (t140) 8 3 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

Turn: (t140) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets t70, BTN/SB calls

River: (t280) 8 (2 players)
Hero ?


I usually block here for ~t70. I'm thinking villain's range is weighted mostly towards PPs less than 88 and A high, so a block would prevent me from having to call a larger sized value bet from the PPs without costing potential equity if I fold to villain betting with A high.

Are there any better lines I can take, or should I be putting villain on something else?

Thoughts and comments on all post-flop streets appreciated.
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10-22-2009 , 04:53 AM
i fold pre

and check river
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10-22-2009 , 09:28 AM
fold pre obv...unless you've been really tight oop up to this point I don't really see him checking behind any pocket pair on the flop. I expect to mostly see A high (with a diamand kicker) here. I don't think he's very likely to bluff the river with A high here though and he's not folding to your block bet either, so I don't see the benefit of bet/folding here.
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10-22-2009 , 09:54 AM
wtf @ folding pre, its almost a minraise and you have an ace, def defend. I check river and probably call a bet depending on sizing/timing.
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10-22-2009 , 10:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crimsonchin
wtf @ folding pre, its almost a minraise and you have an ace, def defend. I check river and probably call a bet depending on sizing/timing.
pretty much this..
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10-22-2009 , 10:07 AM
Preflop I think depends on the raising range of villain. The problem with A2 is that the reverse implied odds are huge.

As played I would intend to check/call the river since our hand is somewhat of a bluff catcher. Throwing out a blocking bet is foolish IMO since we have showdown value and are basically turning our hand into a bluff.
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10-22-2009 , 10:12 AM
pre can deff be arguable but i deff dont see how its a must to defend here i fold alot pre here
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10-22-2009 , 10:13 AM
nat, imo, alot of ppl play bad in Axx flops.. so can be goot. Don't know how much he balances, but how often does he have Ax better kicker here? I dunno..
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10-22-2009 , 10:14 AM
its not the point of being dominated also with your reasoning shouldnt we 3bet?, and if he has Ax he always has better kicker lol
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10-22-2009 , 10:18 AM
I h8 3-bet pre vs this villain..

also hand very much depends upon his c-bet behaviour.. if he is pretty normal TAG I think this is prob c/call on riv, and all other streets look standard.. would be funny if he had 44-77 here and v-bet it on river...
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10-22-2009 , 10:23 AM
Concerning the pre-flop call, i think it's more standard/correct for a beggining player to fold a small offsuit Ax. I think the limit for calling an offsuit Ax OOP is about A5o for an inexperienced player.

I think any suited Ax is good enough to at least call OOP.

Not a huge mistake, but it's a common leak for beggining player or weak post-flop players to call any Ax OOP then they end up losing a large pot or trying to make thin hero calls.

But yeah, i'm with nathan fold pre-flop.
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10-22-2009 , 12:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crimsonchin
wtf @ folding pre, its almost a minraise and you have an ace, def defend. I check river and probably call a bet depending on sizing/timing.
Yea. I'm not sure why you would fold this preflop.
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10-22-2009 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by poloboy4
Yea. I'm not sure why you would fold this preflop.
Cuz very few flops make you super happy. Even if Axx comes out you'll feel super ****ty if your opponent bets strong.
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10-22-2009 , 01:15 PM
funny how reg speed regs vs turbo speed regs think
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10-22-2009 , 06:47 PM
Ya know, this is exactly why I wrote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by bluemage55
Thoughts and comments on all post-flop streets appreciated.
Emphasis added.

Preflop is definitely marginal and debatable, but it's not a must-fold or must-call IMO. However, suffice to say that since I did call, I'm more interested in the post-flop analysis.
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10-23-2009 , 12:29 AM
yeah but maybe pre is best point to analyise?

i prob c/c river most of he time
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10-23-2009 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by nathan
yeah but maybe pre is best point to analyise?

i prob c/c river most of he time
This is what I do as well.
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10-23-2009 , 09:04 PM
looks fine if you c/c river, nh
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10-23-2009 , 09:29 PM
c/c river
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10-25-2009 , 07:06 AM
Thanks for the responses everyone. I guess check/calling would have been better than blocking.

I ended up blocking for t70, villain flatted with Ad4c for the split.
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