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09-06-2010 , 02:04 PM
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Villian is now running 27/27/17 over 157 hands
At the time of the hand he had like 27/24 with 20% 3bet total (And 3bet from blinds was 25%) over 100 hands (He also had a high AF obv)
He had high Cbet% stats in single raised pots and a lot lower Turn Cbet % (So 2th barrel), but i had no Cbet% stats for a 3bet pot
I had a Laggy image myself and was opening really loose from CO,BTN and SB


IPoker Network $20.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 907540
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UTG: $18.10
MP: $5.70
CO: $21.90
Hero (BTN): $20.00
SB: $33.10
BB: $63.38

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is BTN with K Q
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, SB raises to $2.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.70

Obv i am ahead against his 3bettingrange. Folding is a safe and okay play, but i decided to make a stand against him constantly 3betting my steals
I considered 4bet/folding and just calling his 3bet. While 4bet/folding could be good i feel this sort of villian could be capable of 5betting light and I might level myself into calling.
So i just called because i think i have his range dominated and i have position
FWIW, if i had Ax or J7 or w/e i would sooner 4bet/fold, but with KQ i believe calling is 3bet is more +EV



Flop: ($4.80) A K J (2 players)
SB bets $3.00, Hero calls $3
He could be betting AIR here and i should at least call. I could also shove AI but i would be changing my hand into a bluff. I would much rather shove with XdXd, but not with MPGK.
And by raising small he might 3bet AI which would suck
So just flat


Turn: ($10.80) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks ?
Wasnt sure checking was the right play. But i just wanted to go to showdown as cheap as possible. And before time runned out i checked.

River: ($10.80) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $7.50, Hero ?

Fold, call or raise AI(effectively a minraise)?
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09-06-2010 , 03:03 PM
id just fold river and take a note of how they played it, if it was around $5 i would prob call it, but I dont see too much of what you beat.

I dont raise AI coz you only getting called by better.
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09-06-2010 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by blackgerbil1
id just fold river and take a note of how they played it, if it was around $5 i would prob call it, but I dont see too much of what you beat.

I dont raise AI coz you only getting called by better.
If you're folding this flop you'd prob be better of folding PF right?Or do you give him a lot of credit once he Cbets this wet flop?

But still he could def Cbet here repping an Ace. He could def be semi-bluffing with XdXd or combodraws. I expect to have at least 28 equity versus his range (that's needed to make a flop call)
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09-06-2010 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Waayoo
If you're folding this flop you'd prob be better of folding PF right?Or do you give him a lot of credit once he Cbets this wet flop?

But still he could def Cbet here repping an Ace. He could def be semi-bluffing with XdXd or combodraws. I expect to have at least 28 equity versus his range (that's needed to make a flop call)
i dont think folding pre is best here since they have a wide 3betting range, the board by the river completes alot of s8 draws and random two pair combos like K9s A9s etc etc which sucks for your hand.

I think MOST of the time you will be beat when you call, I think any 1pair they are prob looking to get to showdown when they check turn unless they are going for a c-r with a monster (twopair,sets/striaghts)
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09-07-2010 , 08:04 AM
THanks for response blackgerbil
I should have folded the river
He had AQ btw
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09-07-2010 , 09:07 AM
i would fight back with 4b not with a flat. Flating hand like KQ puts us in many difficult spots, we are likely to loose big pot when dominated but unlikely to win big one.

And KQ blockers are pretty.
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09-07-2010 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Allisnice
i would fight back with 4b not with a flat. Flating hand like KQ puts us in many difficult spots, we are likely to loose big pot when dominated but unlikely to win big one.

And KQ blockers are pretty.
pretty bad advice
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09-07-2010 , 05:21 PM
if he's gonna bluff here it'll be on the turn
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09-08-2010 , 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by cuQaaa
pretty bad advice
explain pls
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09-08-2010 , 04:01 AM
played okay, fold river

dont bet turn and dont turn your hand into a bluff unless you think he folds Ax OTR
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09-08-2010 , 05:45 AM
Sorry guys, but 20% 3b over 100 hands doesn't tell us much at all, one should look at the occasions he had (the number between parenthesis next to the actual stat in hem), because if he has a 20% 3b over 20 occasions, he actually has 3b 4 times out of 100 hands...
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09-08-2010 , 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by blackgerbil1
i dont think folding pre is best here since they have a wide 3betting range, the board by the river completes alot of s8 draws and random two pair combos like K9s A9s etc etc which sucks for your hand.

I think MOST of the time you will be beat when you call, I think any 1pair they are prob looking to get to showdown when they check turn unless they are going for a c-r with a monster (twopair,sets/striaghts)
Sorry but what straight draw got there on the river exactly? T7?

And lol at drawing conclusion about 3bet tendencies over this sample, therefor, I dont like the call pre. This is the kind of hand you cannot really semibluff with if you miss and you cannot win big pots with it either. However, as played I would bet the turn and river(with alot of my range) if its the first time I played a 3bet pot against this guy. I dont see AK, AJ play this way (checking the turn) and I think I can get him of weaker aces alot.
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09-08-2010 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Allisnice
explain pls
KQo is doing well against a range of a frequent 3bettor so why turn your hand into a bluff?
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09-09-2010 , 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by cuQaaa
KQo is doing well against a range of a frequent 3bettor so why turn your hand into a bluff?
if hes 3b is indeed 25% in this situation (wich is 99% false) KQ is FLIPPING (on a bit worse side of a flip)! there is no way u can play just a value of ur hand (wich would mean playing fit or fold) post flop and show profit.

And think about it from villains perspective, how do u adjust to someone falting 3bets with KQ type of hands? i would say the best way is to 3b quite wide for value.
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09-09-2010 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Allisnice
if hes 3b is indeed 25% in this situation (wich is 99% false) KQ is FLIPPING (on a bit worse side of a flip)! there is no way u can play just a value of ur hand (wich would mean playing fit or fold) post flop and show profit.
We have position on the flop and our hand does well against his range (if he is indeed 3betting light)> And i am not going to play fit/fold postflop

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Originally Posted by Allisnice
And think about it from villains perspective, how do u adjust to someone falting 3bets with KQ type of hands? i would say the best way is to 3b quite wide for value.
yeah it's true that he will be 3betting mroe for value, but it also means he will be less inclined to 3bet me light
That's a great result, because there are like a zillion more light 3bettinghands combo's than 3bettinghands combos for value
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09-09-2010 , 08:39 AM
Just fold pre lol. Its not just about his preflop range or how you will play post flop. You dont know how HE will play postflop and you cannot flop a K or Q and hope to get it in good. You got reversed implied odds every time you do flop something. And if you miss, what are you gonna do, Float and bluff turns? I wouldnt do that considering you dont know anything about his tendencies, and his 3bet range isnt even converged yet.

I love "tags" that call my 3bets in this spot with KQ because they let their ego get in the way. And he wont 3bet more for value, if he adjusts wel he will start 3betting you more once he knows KQ is in your range, because that means you are likely to go and make huge postflop mistakes. Just fold, its ok, he's not running you over if you fold.
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