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10-13-2009 , 09:50 PM
Villain is 67/7 with 1.7 agression factor, no special reads other than that

I felt I should just betbet for value here because he calls with god knows what... on the river I simply thought I would bet half pot and he might call with a worse hand or if he shoved then id just have to call.

What I think I should have done: Bet pot on flop and turn (or even overbet turn), then check/fold an ugly rivercard to a big bet.

No doubt the river Q made it hard to lay it down :P

Entraction $20.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players

SB: $16.56
Hero (BB): $19.70
UTG: $45.94
CO: $19.55
BTN: $32.00

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is BB with A Q
UTG calls $0.20, 2 folds, SB calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.80, UTG calls $0.60, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.80) A J 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.80, UTG calls $1.80

Turn: ($5.40) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.05, UTG calls $4.05

River: ($13.50) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $6.10, UTG raises to $31.80, Hero calls $6.95 all in

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $39.60
Hero shows Ad Qd
UTG shows Ks Ts
UTG wins $18.90
(Rake: $1.95)
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10-13-2009 , 09:56 PM
Definition of Std.

Raise to 1.20 pre otherwise wp, oh and shove river
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10-13-2009 , 09:57 PM
Betting river isn't bad, calling that push is horrible. When loose passives start playing back at you, fold. Pretty basic stuff.

Also, results are kinda lulzworthy. Sorry op.
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10-13-2009 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by _Mr. Fantastic_
Betting river isn't bad, calling is horrible. When loose passives start playing back at you, fold. Pretty basic stuff.

Also, results are kinda lulzworthy. Sorry op.
erh never folding that river after betting. Best to shove as he will still call with worse but will check behind with worse when checked to
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10-13-2009 , 09:59 PM
mods should start handing out infractions for posting results
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10-13-2009 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Megloooo
mods should start handing out infractions for posting results
Sorry did not know it was standard to not show results when posting a hand..
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10-13-2009 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigheadarch1
erh never folding that river after betting. Best to shove as he will still call with worse but will check behind with worse when checked to
Yeah, I wasn't looking at stack sizes tbh. Point taken.

I meant more that OP should realize loose passive players in general don't randomly bluff raise in spots like this.
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10-13-2009 , 11:40 PM
i fold to the river bet and don't lose any sleep. this is a bluff once every 100,000 hands or so. and it's not going to be this one.

nm, saw only $6.00 left behind, thought you were deeper.. meh.. harder to fold, but i really hate calling. i probably just rip my ethernet cable out of my modem and slowroll him for 90 seconds.

Last edited by Zilarik; 10-13-2009 at 11:46 PM.
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10-14-2009 , 01:53 AM
Its a fold if you were deeper. River bet is fine imo you'll get called by ******ed stuff like JT a ton.

Also:
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Originally Posted by Zilarik
...i probably just rip my ethernet cable out of my modem and slowroll him for 90 seconds.
I hate your guts
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10-14-2009 , 01:57 AM
so i didnt read the spoiler but you got flushed away right.. one sec let me click on it.. whoa lol even worse!!!

you got fed in the butt
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10-14-2009 , 02:02 AM
lawl royalflushaments!!
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10-14-2009 , 02:05 AM
River is a B/F if you make it that small iyam
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10-14-2009 , 02:07 AM
River is a snap bet/fold vs a station like this.

When calling stations raise your bets, you run far far away.
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10-14-2009 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by _Mr. Fantastic_
Betting river isn't bad, calling that push is horrible. When loose passives start playing back at you, fold. Pretty basic stuff.
Yeah, that. And yeah, bet less I guess, stacks, etc. Doesn't really matter. You're never, ever good when he jams... close to 0% equity imo.
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10-14-2009 , 02:07 AM
i rannnnnn... i ran so far awayyyyyyyyyyyyy
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10-14-2009 , 02:13 AM
If you are not folding to a shove, just shove it yourself.
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10-14-2009 , 03:28 AM
ROYAL FLUSHHHHHHHHHHHH
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10-14-2009 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigheadarch1
Definition of Std.

Raise to 1.20 pre otherwise wp, oh and shove river
These were my exact thoughts as well, and they make a pretty big difference.

If you raised bigger pre, because we're out of position and against a limper, the pot would be a lot larger when you got to the river, so your shove wouldn't be as close to a full pot sized bet and more like 2/3rds pot.

Also, the reason why shoving is superior to betting half pot/calling is because villain isn't laying down an Ace, and he's also not shoving it himself when the flush gets in. So to maximize your value vs an A or weaker 2 pair shoving is best.

And when you don't shove, you can be put in a spot like this which is just really crappy, you don't have to be good very often when he shoves over your river bet, however I wouldn't be surprised if you were beat here nearly 90%+
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10-14-2009 , 10:59 AM
he doesn't have that low of an AF considering how much he calls pre. 1.7 on a 67 is actually pretty high right? I would call based on that.
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10-14-2009 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Megloooo
mods should start handing out infractions for posting results
I like results but there's no reason to post them on the first hand.

Its kind of unnecessary to complain about people posting results when they're hidden. No one has to look at them until they choose to.
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10-14-2009 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by djoyce003
he doesn't have that low of an AF considering how much he calls pre. 1.7 on a 67 is actually pretty high right? I would call based on that.
This.

no folding the river after betting. calling approx $7 for a $27 pot. there are plenty of players who'll bet lesser two pairs as well as some bluffs.
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10-14-2009 , 11:11 AM
no i know, but people generally do, and it kinda ruins conversation about a hand as theres always so many results based group comments, as opposed to peoples own opinions
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10-14-2009 , 11:44 AM
I probably shove river
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10-14-2009 , 12:50 PM
If you're calling a shove then betting the river this small is really dumb, so either bet bigger (just shove it here, given stacksizes) or b/f with this betsize. And this villain is no calling station.
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