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10-10-2009 , 02:09 PM

Gugel

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I'm playing House of Zorn, a very good reg. We played 50 hands, he was raising 100% on the button, 3betting 35% and his OOP VPIP was 60%.

Hand 1

Hero (SB) ($200)
BB ($534)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10

, J

Hero bets $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36) 7

, K

, J

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20.25, BB calls $20.25

Turn: ($76.50) 5

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $45.25, BB raises to $495.75 (All-In), Hero ?

Is he really checking a K twice on a such a dangerous board?

Hand 2

Hero (SB) ($314.55)
BB ($264.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10

, J

Hero bets $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36) 6

, 9

, Q

(2 players)
BB bets $22, Hero raises to $58, BB raises to $94, Hero ?

Hand 3

Hero (BB) ($390.75)
SB ($206)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

, 10

SB bets $6, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($12) 2

, 4

, 10

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $8, Hero raises to $20, SB calls $12

Turn: ($52) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $30.25, SB raises to $60.50, Hero ?

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10-10-2009 , 02:16 PM

eX3cution

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Hand 1: Fold. A ton of people check TPNK in 3bet pots and it's kinda hard to believe that he'd c/shove the turn with worse here.

Hand 2: Raise sizing is terrible

Hand 3: Call

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Originally Posted by Gugel

a very good reg. We played 50 hands, he was raising 100% on the button, 3betting 35% and his OOP VPIP was 60%.

What?

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10-10-2009 , 02:20 PM

Gugel

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Originally Posted by eX3cution

What?

He's won over $100k.

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Originally Posted by eX3cution

Hand 1: Fold. A ton of people check TPNK in 3bet pots and it's kinda hard to believe that he'd c/shove the turn with worse here.

Villain c/c a K on the flop would be pretty terrible IMO.

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Hand 2: Raise sizing is terrible

Strongly disagree.

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10-10-2009 , 02:27 PM

eX3cution

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Some of my favorite regfish ever have TRs well over 100k. We're HU, anyone can beat the fish and make monies that way. Your reads so far don't equal "very good reg" and you don't seem to have postflop reads. So far to you he's just "some random reg who's probably really aggro pre".

Just because you think c/calling the flop with a K is terrible doesn't change the fact that a ton of people do it all the time, especially at small stakes.

I hope you have fun using an inducing sizing with a draw on a drawy board in a 3bet pot vs a seemingly aggro/potentially spewy reg when you don't even have a plan for when he shoves.

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10-10-2009 , 02:33 PM

Gugel

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http://www.pokertableratings.com/ful.../House+of+Zorn

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10-10-2009 , 02:34 PM

Barewire

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your turn bet in hand 1 is too thin imo

hand 2 is meh, i guess i flat since this is like never a bluff, prob raise a bit smaller also

hand 3 i'm not crazy about your bet sizing in general, all seem too small. pretty sure i fold to the minraise but i guess we can call and c/f river if you're really upset about the good price.

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10-10-2009 , 02:42 PM

eX3cution

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Originally Posted by Gugel

http://www.pokertableratings.com/ful.../House+of+Zorn

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10-10-2009 , 02:46 PM

Barewire

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ahahahahhaa awesome

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10-10-2009 , 04:08 PM

rbracco

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Hand 1: check back the turn. @execution is someone who checks TPNK really check-shoving it on the turn?

Hand 2: Your raise-flop range is very narrow on this flop, expect to get messed with by an aggro reg.

Hand 3: This is a really weird spot. You have very few hands you are c/r for value here so I would be suspicious but I still think a fold is fine if you don't have a read.

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10-10-2009 , 04:18 PM

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LooseCaller

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hand 1: my default is to check that turn. especially if i think it's not an easy decision if he raises. i fold. he can easily have bad kings.

hand 2: call. you're getting such a good price.

hand 3: i hate all options, but i guess fold is best.

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10-10-2009 , 04:30 PM

#11

StreamlineR

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hand 1: you can't bet/fold, either check or bet/call, there are so many draws etc

hand 2: either jam or float

hand 3: hmmm wtf... call

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10-10-2009 , 04:38 PM

#12

Theoretical

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Originally Posted by eX3cution

What?

my thoughts exactly

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10-10-2009 , 04:42 PM

#13

ShortSharpShock

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raise in hand 2 blows with stack sizes for a lot of reasons, espec given his 3b % pf and the fact u think he doesnt suck

hand 1 seems like an awful spot to bet/fold the turn and i'd prolly call esp at 100bb

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10-10-2009 , 08:25 PM

#14

Nezh

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Hand 1: Well played, fold

Hand 2: Call and surrender if you miss

Hand 3: No fn clue

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10-10-2009 , 08:27 PM

#15

nathan

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i check flop alot in hand 1

hand 3 is a little pukey imo but i call and hope he checks back river

Last edited by nathan; 10-10-2009 at 08:39 PM.

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10-10-2009 , 08:37 PM

#16

Computerized

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I'd fold hand 3. Seems like he floated with some Kx and got there. Fold > Call > Shove imo

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10-10-2009 , 11:10 PM

#17

jr4284

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Does anyone think hand 2 is a Zeebo theorem spot?

I'm thinking shove > call. If he's a "good" villain, what hands does he put in the 3rd bet with that he wouldn't have just called and let you bluff off? The board isn't *that* drawy.

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10-10-2009 , 11:36 PM

#18

sgxou

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Can someone elaborate if the call in Hand 2 is mathematically correct?
HERO has to call $94 to win $304 in the pot meaning he has to win the hand approx.30% of the time. The probability that he hits his straight card by the turn is only 16%. Should the flop call be not wrong mathematically (we assume he will face another big bet on the turn)?

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10-11-2009 , 12:48 AM

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rbracco

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Originally Posted by jr4284

I think you're thinking of Yeti Theorem, Zeebo is nobody ever folds a full house, even on tripped boards. Yeti applies more specifically to dry paired boards and doesn't apply here that much imo, especially given that it is a 3bet pot.

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10-11-2009 , 12:49 AM

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rbracco

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Originally Posted by sgxou

Hero doesn't have to call $94, it is only $36 more to hero.

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10-11-2009 , 03:58 AM

#21

ZachShalack420

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Just bum-hunt.

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10-11-2009 , 08:55 AM

#22

kylefrey

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deffinetly dont raise the flop in hand 2. Raise/folding there is better with a gutshot or something that matters less to see then turn.

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10-11-2009 , 10:39 AM

#23

RichGambler

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What were your stats in the match open and 3bet? How often you folded to his 3bet? There is no way he is a good reg if he would 3bet 35%+ he probably views you as weak player and you probably have high fold to cbet % and high fold to 3bet %. thats why he views you as weak tight and want to run you over with aggression.

When you answer these questions we can find a solution.

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Originally Posted by Gugel

, J

Hero bets $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36) 7

, K

, J

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20.25, BB calls $20.25

Turn: ($76.50) 5

, J

Hero bets $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36) 6

, 9

, Q

(2 players)
BB bets $22, Hero raises to $58, BB raises to $94, Hero ?

Hand 3

Hero (BB) ($390.75)
SB ($206)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

, 10

SB bets $6, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($12) 2

, 4

, 10

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $8, Hero raises to $20, SB calls $12

Turn: ($52) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $30.25, SB raises to $60.50, Hero ?

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10-11-2009 , 11:15 AM

#24

luegofuego

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well a) u butchered a lot of the decisions so far and b) ur read on him is a couple of random numbers completely without context and no mention of how HE views YOU at all, id say... play someone else

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