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11-03-2008 , 11:46 PM
I have only been playing opponent for a 30-40 hands. He is not a regular, and so far just seems generically loose and agressive. I was planning on check raisin the turn, but wiffed. Do you just 2 barrel here against a relative unknown? How is my river bet sizing (I think smaller might be better, because the king is probably pretty scary to him)? Call this river raise...I can beat a worse Ks up or a bluff. His line looks like he made a str8 or a backdoor flush, but he only has to be making a weird bluff or value betting a worse hand 25% of the time to make my call correct.

Regards,
Carlos

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $306.50
Hero (BB): $449.20

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with K Q
BTN/SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $24, BTN/SB calls $18

Flop: ($48.00) Q T 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $36, BTN/SB calls $36

Turn: ($120.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

River: ($120.00) K (2 players)
Hero bets $90, BTN/SB raises to $246.50 all in, Hero calls $156.50
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11-04-2008 , 01:20 AM
nh
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11-04-2008 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Barewire
nh
helpful...;-)
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11-05-2008 , 12:42 PM
Anyone have any opnions on this hand?
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11-05-2008 , 12:47 PM
If i don't b/c the turn or bet turn, shove the river nor didn't get to checkraise (which you obv wanted), i'd play the same.
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11-05-2008 , 12:59 PM
you induced the bluff reraise and he might even think he's good with less and is value shoving.

Sure you lose this hand a decent % of the time but you are good more often than not.
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11-05-2008 , 01:22 PM
nh. i like the way you played it. (i would c/r turn too)
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11-05-2008 , 01:29 PM
against a complete unknown, without knowledge of their floating capabilities, i will 2 barrell the first time a situation like this comes up.

where in dc are you?
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11-05-2008 , 01:36 PM
oh, and if the exact same hand happened our next bb, i would c/r here fwiw
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11-06-2008 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jayluf
against a complete unknown, without knowledge of their floating capabilities, i will 2 barrell the first time a situation like this comes up.

where in dc are you?
I think this is probably correct, although it seems I am getting floated a ton by many random people...although a lot of times their floats involve checking back the turn and then only betting the riv if I check to them twice, so I guess betting out on the turn is still best against these types.

I live off Connecticut Ave in Chevy Chase, DC. How about you?
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11-06-2008 , 03:48 PM
My current residence is actually Crystal City in Arlington... but my gf (where I spend most of my time) lives on Van Ness St off of Connecticut Ave. We go to American City Diner every Sunday morning. Close to you eh?
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11-06-2008 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by recondite7
you induced the bluff reraise and he might even think he's good with less and is value shoving.

Sure you lose this hand a decent % of the time but you are good more often than not.
Do you think he would be value shoving a hand like KJ here? I think it is unlikely because I am representing AK when I bet this river. The main hand that he is value shoving here that I beat is KT. He could have AK, but a lot of people would have 4 bet pre. He could have QT, and decided to have a trappy line on the flop and turn. Do you think a lot of people take this line with top 2 pair? I have seen people do it with set but not so much with 2 pair.

What do you guys think that he puts me on? My bet says, "I hit the king". For his raise to make sense as a bluff he has to think that I am basically trying to bluff out a queen or ten (which would be an okay play) and he has to NOT HAVE either a queen or ten to call me with. I guess from his perpective he is risking $240 to win $210 and so his bluff only has to win 54% of the time to work. The only thing that doesn't make sense is if he was going to bluff at this pot, why wouldn't he have done it on the turn (for cheaper) when I checked to him and showed weakness? The only answer to this is that he had some showdown equity (some pair below Qs) and is now turning his hand into a bluff. Am I missing anything in my analysis above?
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11-07-2008 , 06:29 AM
i would bet the turn and shove the river
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11-09-2008 , 12:28 PM
Thanks for the replies. It turns out that that guy had A4, checked behind the turn hoping for a free showdown and then turned his hand into a bluff on the river.
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