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11-08-2009 , 12:06 PM
Was 4tabling some "reg" but appeared to be a breakeven/losing player only small sample on him on tableratings. He was playing very straightforward, he was too agressive on the flop, cbetting too much and not agressive on the turn. Over a few hundred hands his agg on flop was like 80% cbet and turn agression was like 25%. So he was clearly cbetting too much and not following up on turns and just giving up when he had not much.

So anyway, flop float is ok imo. its not the best, i havent been playing back super light and havent shown down anything where i floated flop with air.

Turn i think is a brilliant 2barrel but i dont think he will be betting it too light. I mean his range is probably Kx, some random bluffs and hands like AT AQ 9T QT. I think the raise is probably profitable because he will probably not be betting a jack and possibly be bluffing this card fairly wide since its a "good bluffcard". I guess it sounds contradictory to what i said where hes betting alot of flops and not many turns but if he has any double barrel freq at all this is probably one of the best cards in the deck since it will hit his percieved range and also gives him some semibluffing hands aswell as valuebetting hands.

so yeah, thoughts on flop float/ meh. Turn raise?

River shove, i dont think needs much explanation, were shoving for value and its about a pot sized bet.

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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Hero (BB): $233.50
BTN/SB: $563.25

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with Q T
BTN/SB raises to $6, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($12.00) 4 4 J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $8, Hero calls $8

Turn: ($28.00) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $20, Hero raises to $62, BTN/SB calls $42

River: ($152.00) A (2 players)
Hero bets $157.50 all in
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11-08-2009 , 12:19 PM
yeah, you're right that it's a "good bluffcard." It's good b/c it is more likely to hit his range then yours, and you both know it. That logic works directly against you if you are trying to raise here. BTN shouldn't really give you any credit here...

if you are floating this flop then yeah, you kinda have to do this. I guess my point is any decent villain will call your turn raise with any semblance of equity b/c he's going to be pretty skeptical that the K helped you. So the c/r basically just smokes out bluffs, what are you doing on an unimproved river?
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11-08-2009 , 01:33 PM
i dont understand y youd semi bluff onto a player that doesnt db often. flop foat is fine.
river jam is also fine.
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11-08-2009 , 02:55 PM
why raise the turn when you say yourself he shows little agression, he is already showing interest so from what you said he is nearly guaranteed to call, leaving you just hoping to get lucky, if your trying to catch just call, you are drawing to 8 outs so even that for the river seems odd, the rest of the play is fine, i dunno obviously you have a far better read

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11-08-2009 , 03:37 PM
you should fold on the flop.
if you decide not to fold on the flop, the rest of the hand was played well.
again, folding the flop > the way you played it
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11-08-2009 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by whorasaurus
yeah, you're right that it's a "good bluffcard." It's good b/c it is more likely to hit his range then yours, and you both know it. That logic works directly against you if you are trying to raise here. BTN shouldn't really give you any credit here...

if you are floating this flop then yeah, you kinda have to do this. I guess my point is any decent villain will call your turn raise with any semblance of equity b/c he's going to be pretty skeptical that the K helped you. So the c/r basically just smokes out bluffs, what are you doing on an unimproved river?
Disagree w/ this part. OP's calling OoP and his range should me significantly stronger than villain's who just made a standard button open.

Since villain gives up a lot on the turn, I don't see why we're c/r'ing. Villain's turn bet range is now really weighted towards 4x and Kx hands, and neither of them are folding to your c/r.

This hand seems like spew against passive opponents. He's doing something you said he rarely does and then go ahead and bloat the pot OoP with low fold equity. Uhhhh...
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11-08-2009 , 07:56 PM
Since he doesn't barrel much I think you should lead turn because that's how you can get 3 streets with a nut against this player (besides c/r flop obv). Flop is obv very bad
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11-08-2009 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jr4284
Disagree w/ this part. OP's calling OoP and his range should me significantly stronger than villain's who just made a standard button open.
I definitely agree with what you're saying, which is why I think the K doesn't help us. I think our flop c/c weighs our perceived range away from the K. Because we called OOP that would make me skeptical that we floated flop with pure overs and spiked the K turn. in contrast, villain barrels flop with his whole range, and def could have a K in that range. Not that it's likely, but just more likely than it helping us.
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11-09-2009 , 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Gugel
you should fold on the flop.
if you decide not to fold on the flop, the rest of the hand was played well.
again, folding the flop > the way you played it
+1
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