Frist strat post, I think I posted once or twice in OOT or BBV years ago, longtime lurker though. I am a fairly regular recreational player, no HUD and villain wasn't familiar to me. Not sure what villain thinks of me, probably fishy (lol). My stats are 19 vpip, 13 pfr, 7.5 3bet.

Yatahay Network - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 475.01 BB
Hero (BB): 120 BB
UTG: 267.1 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 107.34 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

fold, fold, CO raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 6.5 BB, CO calls 4.5 BB

Flop: (13.5 BB, 2 players) J 8 3
Hero bets 6.75 BB, CO calls 6.75 BB

Turn: (27 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero bets 13.5 BB, CO calls 13.5 BB

River: (54 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 27 BB, fold

Hero wins 52.5 BB

Thoughts on the hand are certainly welcome, a question I have is w.r.t. reviewing the hand in GTO Wizard. 100BB, NL500, General are the settings in GTO Wizard, when I look at the possible actions, wizard shows the Flop is ~46% check, Turn is 76~ check and river is 100% check, little of which do I understand the rationale.

I thought it was a pretty straightforward hand, until review, when the recommended actions were nothing like I would have expected.

I am still learning the GTO Wizard program, so maybe it's something obvious, but as of this moment, the obvious escapes me.

Any and all comments are appreciated.

Probably you should spend some time to learn PF ranges and sizing and dont play NL200 unless you dont mind losing few thousand dollars here and there.

River check is weird, idea is that J blocks lot of checking range so JJ will see lot of bets from IP player. Betting is ok, but you need to put stack in if you are going to barrel.

Who checked the river?

PF range with his bet/call is pretty wide, probably down to middle pocket pairs. As played, isn't it obvious what their cards were?

Thanks for the well thought out response, and here I thought posting on the premiere poker strategy forum may actually help me.

havent used GTO wizard so cant comment on that specifically. but preflop ranges will change the strategy a lot here. and I'd say to take everything with a pinch of salt. If your BB 3-bet range has less T9s than your opponent who will obviously have all of it, then I can understand heavy turn check since you're just not going to have too many strong hands when you check turn if you bet all your sets.

Other notes on the hand, preflop size is too small, 8-10bbs is more standard, flop I prefer a smaller sizing with top set and in fact would probably just use a one sizing strategy on this board of around 30% with most hands. I think turn is mixed check/bet, sizing is fine. and then assuming math is correct, you have around a pot size shove on river and you're just all in or fold. JJ can go either way. I like checking QQ a lot more than JJ. When you use odd sizings, you come up with awkward SPRs on river and it will make your whole range much more difficult to play.

Thanks hedger, I appreciate the response. I definitely smash the preset betting buttons (1/4, 1/2, etc) too often, something I need to work on, point well taken. In this hand, I just used the 1/2 pot bet sizing (post flop), which while it's consistent, it certainly isn't correct.

Villain's pre flop range might go to T9 suited, maybe, For them to open in the CO, T9 suited is very questionable, which I didn't weight very heavily.

I am (slowly) starting to see why GTO Wizard might have more checks than bets in it's analysis, I think.

Thanks again hedger.

T9s is standard open from every position in 6-max. And is unlikely a small 3-bet sizing will get it to fold so likely to see all T9s in CO range here to your 3-bet. if you size bigger, they might fold some of the time. and obviously you're not scared of it to the point that you're folding, it'll just be why solver likes check a lot on the Q turn.

but yeah, I would suggest playing lower stakes while learning until you feel comfortable in spots even if the bankroll can handle it.

Yaya, T9s would be in the lowest portion of their range, if they would fold or not is hero/villain dependent.

FWIW, (and hopefully I posted this correctly), the solver showed this:



Still wrapping my head around the solver converging on T9s, even after the turn check from villain. But, alas, that's my issue not the solver....

/thread (from my perspective, I get the reasoning now)

^

One person offered thought out input, which was appreciated. It boiled down to me missing T9s as an integral part of villains range, per the solver. As the hand played out, it's pretty obvious suited overcards were in his range as well, lol.

Anyway, back to lurking and if anyone ever wonders why folks consider this forum a dumpster fire, point them at this thread, where someone (me) simply wanted to discuss strategy, I tried and failed to tolerate the inane and inaccurate comments.

Best wishes to all for a Merry Christmas and a prosperous 2022...

Having a good preflop foundation is key to everything. Pointing out that 19/13 isn't ideal isn't inaccurate or inane. I think you're misreading people's comments.

This was replying to your comment in your post, where you talked about how gtowizard checks river 100%

I'm not sure in your post if you mean that gtowizard is checking flop 46% with JJ in particular, or your range in general.

But you'll see solvers slow-play top set occasionally, because top pair is usually the bulk of a villain's calling range, and having 3 of the 4 Jacks accounted for cuts down on the amount of stuff that can plausibly call us. So a lot of our EV will come from letting villain bluff, and if they have a strong hand (like a worse set) we can check raise the river and get stacks in anyway.

On the other hand, you don't see solvers slow play middle or bottom set very often. You will often see solvers c-bet much less often than you would expect when out of position

One other thing you'll see in general, is that when you c-bet and villain calls, you will normally be at a range disadvantage heading into the turn/river. That's because villain narrowed their range to good hands when they called you, whereas the c-bettor will still have a lot of junk.

I do appreciate your response, I must have misread the initial comment(s), my apologies.

I'm only 5K hands in, will I be 19/13 over the next tens of thousands of hands, I would doubt it, but we shall see. I do monitor my stats in PT4 and work from there.

Gonna ponder your other thoughts and continue to dive into GTO wizard.

Thanks again for the thoughtful comments.

Speaking of stats, here's a screen capture from PT4 showing my stats. Being a posting newb, this may not even work, but, I'll give it a try:

https://imgur.com/dC1h7La

If you right click on the Imgur link and click “share links” then the forum format, and copy that into a reply it will show up naturally in here.

5k hands is a good sample for VPIP/PFR. I wouldn’t expect it to change very much in the future unless you change how you play

yeah usually xs sets somewhere in 3b pots oop particularly top set

Just like in poker there’s no room for emotions in this forum. Don’t take offense to posts. Come in and ask questions and you’ll get a lot of quality feedback that will help you become a better player.

eh. i can kind of see where he's coming from. telling someone hey man u should move down bc u suck and dont know the basics isn't constructive and wasn't asked for at all lol. with that being said i'd just assume the person who said to me was a bit of an ass and move on w/o throwing a tantrum in the thread and insulting the entire forum that i came to to ask for advice while self admitting i never actually offered any to anyone else. so idk man i think both people are a bit in the wrong here. i feel like most of the posts in the thread were fairly reasonable though and haizemberg's actual advice is pretty good - your preflop sizing is too small oop and your sizings post particularly the later streets dont seem super thought out.

lol what a sissy.