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10-21-2009 , 09:57 PM

Halfwitted

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Villain was 3betting 18% and always this same size. He was checking a lot of flops as the preflop reraiser but I don't remember him ever check/folding. Thoughts on all streets?

Absolute Poker $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BB: $378.90
Hero (BTN/SB): $364.80

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with 9

Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($24.00) J

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($24.00) 9

(2 players)
BB bets $12.00, Hero raises to $44, BB calls $32

River: ($112.00) K

(2 players)
BB bets $112.00

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10-22-2009 , 01:01 AM

NinjaSanta

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i like your line if you folded, doing anything else is prolly giving villain 2 much respect.

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10-22-2009 , 01:06 AM

gimmetheloot

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folding is terrrrrrrrrrrrrible.

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10-22-2009 , 01:08 AM

Halfwitted

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Originally Posted by gimmetheloot

folding is terrrrrrrrrrrrrible.

lol what?

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10-22-2009 , 01:08 AM

StreamlineR

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cawl

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10-22-2009 , 01:25 AM

gimmetheloot

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Originally Posted by Halfwitted

lol what?

yeah, i said it, folding is terrible.

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10-22-2009 , 01:36 AM

Halfwitted

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okay cool. thanks. i love ur strategy posts. never any explanation or reasoning

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10-22-2009 , 01:43 AM

YouCantEscape

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dont know how folding can be terrible? if our opponent checks the majority of flops it is totally possible that he checked the flop with flush and straight draws. so we cant eliminate them from his range. he either improved to the best hand on the river or slowplayed something silly earlier. he might do this with KJ or w/e ocasionally but don't really see much value hands beside this that we beat and i doubt he does b/c turn pot donk river with air too often tbh.

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10-22-2009 , 01:51 AM

StreamlineR

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i think he doesn't donk the turn with draws, seems like the worst card to do it, especially he can't have a 9 and a fd.

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10-22-2009 , 01:52 AM

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YouCantEscape

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especially he can't have a 9 and a fd.

why not?

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10-22-2009 , 01:53 AM

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Halfwitted

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i think 9x, JJ, KK, diamonds and QT are all in his range

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10-22-2009 , 01:54 AM

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StreamlineR

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Originally Posted by YouCantEscape

why not?

hmmm suits not showing up on ur comp ?

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10-22-2009 , 01:54 AM

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YouCantEscape

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Originally Posted by Halfwitted

i think 9x, JJ, KK, diamonds and QT are all in his range

^agree given the read you provided in OP

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10-22-2009 , 01:54 AM

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Halfwitted

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as said in the OP, he was checking the majority of his hands on the flop

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10-22-2009 , 01:57 AM

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YouCantEscape

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Originally Posted by StreamlineR

hmmm suits not showing up on ur comp ?

you want to say he cant have 9x with a fd? i thought u said he cant have 9x or a fd in general. but i don't know what it changes that he cant have 9x with a fd?

/edit: given how OP described villain i still think he can take this line with a single 9 or a naked fd.

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10-22-2009 , 02:16 AM

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gimmetheloot

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Originally Posted by Halfwitted

okay cool. thanks. i love ur strategy posts. never any explanation or reasoning

lol U RITE

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10-22-2009 , 02:46 AM

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Mr. Smaug

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I'm betting flop and raising turn vs described villain - he seems like a drooler and will pay off, and he could easily have QQ+, Jx which I don't think hes folding to a raise+river bet.

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10-22-2009 , 03:31 AM

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Curly Joe

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Preflop: good
Flop: Good
Turn: good
River: It's close because he might have been preparing to checkraise with QT or a flush draw on the flop. His 3bet size tells me that he's probably terrible. Is that helpful? IDK. I really need a better read to make a judgement here. HAd he done this type of play before? Sad to say, I think it's a fold because both draws got there. But it's like 55/45 in favor of folding imo. Neither play is terrible, it's a close spot.

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10-22-2009 , 04:53 AM

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Never Win

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Bet the flop. As played fold the river. Also, do you raise every button??

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10-22-2009 , 05:26 AM

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Halfwitted

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against this opponent i do

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10-22-2009 , 09:49 AM

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Barewire

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i wouldn't fold, mostly because any attempt to analyze this idiot's range would have to include a few combos of digimon cards and i'd rather not go through the trouble since stoxev hasn't included that update yet.

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10-22-2009 , 10:39 AM

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muse1983

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Well, your hand is pretty much face up as trip nines, and all the logical draws got there (QT + fds). Your pot odds suck and I really don´t think he´s doing this often enough w/ T8 and Jx to justify a call.

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10-22-2009 , 11:19 AM

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MossBoss

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I think with a guy like this, he might have KJ a little more often that you'd imagine, however, i think you're probably beat enough here to warrant a fold, although i think it's pretty close... you seem to have your mind made up on a fold though?

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10-22-2009 , 12:02 PM

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muse1983

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Originally Posted by MossBoss

Were you addressing me or the op? KJ didn´t even spring to mind at first glance, but now that you bring it up, I think it´s a valid point. But with the specific river card that fell...I just can´t see myself calling here.