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01-29-2011 , 03:40 AM

54-

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villain is a regular in the games, plays very nitty/taggy. he is liek 16/14 and 3bets from MP only 1% over 15k hands. Ive seen him get to the river with the goods very often.

things to consider:
-shortstack on the button
- 200 bb deep
- i have a solid/tag image

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BTN: $132.60
SB: $496.00
BB: $201.24
Hero (UTG): $785.10
MP: $881.62
CO: $817.30

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is UTG with K

Hero raises to $16, MP raises to $50, 4 folds, Hero calls $34

Flop: ($106.00) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $70.67, Hero calls $70.67

Turn: ($247.34) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $150.00, Hero calls $150

River: ($547.34) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP raises to $610.95, Hero folds

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01-29-2011 , 05:20 AM

Penguinz21

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I'm pretty sure you're more likely to just be getting leveled into a call when he has AA, since he thinks you're folding non-premium hands preflop... than to run into like random 3-bet of 4x open with a 50 bb and 33 BB stack left to act of TJs or something that just couldn't stop betting and is just praying you fold now.
Questions though
1) What is his overall 3bet?
2) 16/14 are 6-max stats, right? That's pretty sick.
3) How quickly did the river action go down?

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01-29-2011 , 05:55 AM

54-

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1) overall 3bet is like 5%. This number might be inflated b/c this player likes to 3b from the sb and bb alot vs steals. He isn't 3betting in position very much.
2) yes those are 6m stats. he plays very few hands, but is quite aggresive when he is in a pot.
3) river action was very normal timing. every time i had a chance to act during the hand i waited like 2-3 secs and then acted, on the river i did the same. He prob shoved the river also after like 2 seconds.

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01-29-2011 , 06:58 AM

Penguinz21

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Do you know if he's a big winner or B/E? ie: how aware might he be of his image?
I dunno I mean if he knows your game really well (15k hands is a lot...) and you never flat SC's OOP no matter how deep, I think I just assume he knows he's value-towning you with AA. But if you flat OOP a decent amount when you're deep... Well, then I wanna call cause WTF?

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01-29-2011 , 08:55 AM

oscar1020

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pretty simple fold and im not much of a folder

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01-29-2011 , 09:52 AM

gbtl

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I fold, given your reads

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01-29-2011 , 11:25 AM

ijustlaughnow

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Originally Posted by 54-

3bets from MP only 1% over 15k hands.

that's all i have to say

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01-29-2011 , 11:49 AM

didonk

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River: ($547.34) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP raises to $610.95, Hero folds

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01-29-2011 , 02:47 PM

Freak999

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1% is KK, AA. 6 to 1 he has AA since you have KK. 1 or 2 out of 1000 maybe AK or QQ.

Call pre $34. You are reduced to set mining here and folding flop if you miss. /w the benefit that if you hit, you are put on AK a bunch of times. If stacks were 100bb, just fold pre until he adjusts (if ever).

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01-29-2011 , 03:06 PM

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cashy

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snapfold

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01-29-2011 , 03:31 PM

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Bitsy

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assuming nits don't turn pairs into bluffs, especially 200BB deep KK=AK here? you didn't flop a set so fold flop and be glad that he is so exploitable, this must be what this like to be a superuser.

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01-29-2011 , 03:34 PM

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Vanhaomena

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Do nits shove this river with AA?

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01-29-2011 , 04:28 PM

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Janice7776

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Originally Posted by Vanhaomena

Do nits shove this river with AA?

In 3b pot when ck to on 3 streets, yes.

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01-30-2011 , 12:35 AM

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Nirwanda

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Do nits shove this river with AA?

My thoughts too, and any 6 would make a straight and stuff (not that there'a any 6s in heroes range, but nits gets so scared on turn/river and starts to see them monsters under the bed). I'm sure we're beat, but still surprised he shoved river here 200bb deep. To me it seems very thin for a nit.

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01-30-2011 , 05:15 AM

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ScoobyDooo

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Originally Posted by Nirwanda

i also think its very thin, and probably even a bad shove with AA. hero can have all the sets in his range and play them just like this. villains shove with AA if he has it just wont be called by worse often enough to make up for the times hes value-owning himself. check it back with AA here imo

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01-30-2011 , 07:26 AM

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nikinblinds

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Originally Posted by Vanhaomena

Do nits shove this river with AA?

see i dont think they do. I think they assume jamming is a value cut on this board as they would fold JJ/QQ in a heartbeat.

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01-30-2011 , 01:01 PM

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Into2ndWind

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Originally Posted by nikinblinds

see i dont think they do. I think they assume jamming is a value cut on this board as they would fold JJ/QQ in a heartbeat.

i see your logic, but i think his stats and preflop action are so indicative of AA it's ridiculous. i think we are just leveling ourself here. just because he is 16/14 doesn't mean he's not reasonably competent and knows that you can level yourself into a call here.

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01-30-2011 , 02:38 PM

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hreaver

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It seems to me that if you assign his range to AA why do you even call the flop (or preflop for that matter)? Just trying to get to a cheap showdown?

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01-30-2011 , 04:26 PM

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Bruut99

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why you call turn, or even flop

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01-30-2011 , 04:32 PM

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Jurrr

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I play it like you. Although folding turn would be better.

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01-30-2011 , 05:05 PM

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Into2ndWind

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Originally Posted by hreaver

It seems to me that if you assign his range to AA why do you even call the flop (or preflop for that matter)? Just trying to get to a cheap showdown?

pre to set mine, flop is EFF u i'm not folding overpair on flop when u rep 1 hand, turn is fold, lol

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