I should have checked this flop. But as played, we dumping this hand on turn?


This particular V overbets turn and jams river *a lot*. Air and value. Need to look into frequency and boards, but without even looking at hud, when I see this V's name, I know pot is going to get big if they decided to take off with a combo draw or made hand.


River is likely going to be a jam on ever river.



Yatahay Network - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 308.04 BB
SB: 101.07 BB
BB: 105.55 BB
UTG: 335.23 BB
Hero (MP): 124.88 BB
CO: 117.13 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J A

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) 6 9 J
BB checks, Hero bets 1.82 BB, BB raises to 7.66 BB, Hero calls 5.85 BB

Turn: (20.82 BB, 2 players) 7
BB bets 23.62 BB

I think you just have to call and be prepared to call again on any blank river. You unblock all spades and QTs, and if v is as aggro as you say I wouldn't be surprised to see even 75s playing this way. Currently only losing to 14 combos and there's at least that many SDs/FDs. If they're doing this with random air (not just draws) then you're in even better shape.

How about a jam on a 7h river?

Since we know he is super aggro w draws and this board is so drawy I'd go ahead and rip it and blow him off all that equity. We could check and let him rip the river but then we have to call and I'd rather not let him see the river when half the deck is bad for us.

Also with a villain like this that likes to XR flop a lot you can start mixing in flop 3bets and start mixing in more checks where youd normally cbet to keep the pot smaller with more vulnerable hands like this. Knowing that this guy is very likely to XR you should do more checking on a dynamic flop you know hes going to attack you on.

With TPTK here I dont kind getting xr as much, but once he goes for it on turn I want to shove and end the hand and make him forfit his draw equity

Thanks. That makes sense. If I'm ready to call a lot of rivers against this V, it makes sense to just rip it in and make them pay if they want to get there. I also like the 3! this V.

I think this flop is pretty close to pure check back and I got that part wrong right out the gate.

Very similar hand (different V) just came up.


I feel like when I get raised on paired boards here, its usually either straight/flush draw, or just a really bad bluff. As what are they trying to say they have here? Most Jx are calling IP I'd think. I guess Tx might want to take it down or charge our A/K/Qx more to see turn.


Obviously, this is different since we don't have TP.


Would you 3b the flop, or since we have far less draw completing cards on turn, let them barrel and c/r or c/jam turn?

Also, does raising to 60bb on turn look more suspicious than a jam or same same?


Yatahay Network - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 152.15 BB
Hero (SB): 110.23 BB
BB: 123.49 BB
UTG: 357.38 BB
MP: 175.22 BB
CO: 114.2 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5 5

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) J J T
Hero bets 2 BB, BB raises to 6 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Turn: (18 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BB bets 24.6 BB

It's close. I'm just eyeballing odds but river jam would be a bit more than pot, so you'd be getting ~1.8:1 and now there's 16 combos that beat you and you'd only have to find 9 bluffs. QTs gets you halfway there, and there's >5 spade combos.

Second hand is a lot different because you have a super weak underpair. I would not even try to defend that one, just fold flop to XR. He's probably FOS but i would not try to defend with this weak of a hand.

He had 87ss.......yay.


I don't think he folds turn shove. But at least it would have cost him to get there.


I think this particular V, I'm going to work in some flop 3bet and turn shoves as mentioned above. Until they (if) adjust......start denying equity and hopefully winning enough of them to be +EV

Lets say we have ATs

What would your defend strategy be here? Thanks again.

With ATs there id just call down. There arent as many draws available for villain that we need to worry about so im too worried about denying equity. Id just let him blast off.

You should stop entertaining wonky reads like "he's probably jamming every single time on the river" and start basing your reads on data, or ignore the thought entirely. Even the way you say he overbets so much seems vague enough that is probably just an ad hoc to justify your emotions, what showdowns or frequencies have you seen that imply he is doing this more than he should?

Turn seems like basically an indifferent spot and i could easily see it being underbluffed given how they hit most of their straight draws and probably should start bluffing 1p hands so i don't mind folding turn

why do u think the flop is a pure x back? it sounds like villain is just playing well tbh and you're way over adjusting to him