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10-12-2009 , 02:01 AM
since I'm kind of new to 25NL yet (only been playing for a couple of weeks) I'm hoping that someone would like to review a video I made w/ audio commentary. i'm not really claiming it's an INSTRUCTIONAL video (i'm not that good) but I'm hoping to just get criticism on my play and I'm hoping it sparks some good discussion. it's about 45 min long.

you can get it here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SACU4UYR
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10-12-2009 , 03:19 AM
1:10 you automatically put on check/fold, bad what if SB limps you can raise and get him to fold pre or with a c-bet, what if CO opens and BTN flats you can squeeze. Don't auto-pilot.

2:22 K4o is pretty lose, but raise less on the button 3x is better no need to pot it.

4:00 with the AA hand, you say he wouldnt be eager to just ship with a set, what else is he supposed to do? you raised 6x pre then potted that flop 3-way, your hand looks huge and a ship with with a set is very standard because any raise size he makes obviously commits him. I just don't think you should say he cant have sets here, he can very easily. Not fancy at all. Fwiw I think you ran like god there for him to show you KK.

6:54 Not a leak what you should be doing.

10:40 What makes you think that T94r board did not hit his flatting range? For someone to fold a bunch to 3-bets what do you think his range for defending is there? 99-QQ, AQ/AK, no? Throw in some PP/SC? You also say you're barreling a T? >.> Then at 15:14 you say 1054r is bad to c-bet because it hit his range and he has a PP....bwuh? :S The other guy didn't?

15:53 take a note on jimbob.

18:07 you don't need to bet so much. $2.25 will do the job.

19:12 oh no you did not just bet $1.75 into $1.95 on K47r...a $1 bet will do the job. Same on turn.

26:06 Stop using auto check fold, and SB don't fold A3ss with jimbob in BB who never raises pre..limp along all day.

34:58 with the 77, what better hand folds and what worse calls that you get value from?

35:12 Don't fold so fast, stop and think about the decision.

37:00 he really can't have much you have all the good cards, bet less on river. No need to overbet shove there. I'd go for a 1/2 bet or 1/3.

Try and bet less when you don't have a hand and make it 3x from co/btn.
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10-12-2009 , 03:24 AM
did you do the commentary afterwards? it seems like you are talking ahead of the action sometimes which is very distracting. (if it is my quicktime player, apologies).
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10-12-2009 , 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mOeeOm
Try and bet less when you don't have a hand
Isn't this exploitable?

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Originally Posted by mOeeOm
make it 3x from co/btn.
why?
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10-12-2009 , 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by lima
Isn't this exploitable?
yes, but only few players are observant enough to realize what you're doing. once someone consistently plays back at your weak bets you know where you're at, THEN you can adjust to make things harder.
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10-12-2009 , 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by kazana
yes, but only few players are observant enough to realize what you're doing. once someone consistently plays back at your weak bets you know where you're at, THEN you can adjust to make things harder.
well, I think that every fish who plays 1 table will realize that you bet big when you have a hand and bet small when you are bluffing...

Shouldn't CB be sized based on the board texture (smaller on ragged board, bigger on drawy ones) ?
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10-12-2009 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by lima
well, I think that every fish who plays 1 table will realize that you bet big when you have a hand and bet small when you are bluffing...
well, and i think you're wrong.
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10-12-2009 , 08:36 AM
thanks for the advice. I don't have the video here at work so I can't quite follow along, but thanks for taking the time to respond. :3

regarding the video, the commentary was done after the video, but I was trying to be careful about keeping my commentary with the action. after awhile though it was just getting totally out of control, I know I wasn't that out of step w/ the action and I think it was just camtasia's fault at that point.

on the AA hand early on, I feel that I don't think I could have bet/folded the flop just because someone jammed, but I thought that if he had a set it would have been a bad way to play it. he's kind of wasting his positional advantage, when I bet on the turn I'm almost surely committed with my good hands, maybe I can get away from my air if I'm (stupidly) firing with it but he's really not scared of any turn card heads up so there's no reason to shove so early, whereas I think a lot of weaker hands would shove to protect themselves from overcards.

good point on cbetting less, I guess I'm trying to sell that I don't want to be called, but it did get me into some tough situations when I bloated the pot OOP (like the AT of spades hand)

on the 9AAA9 hand, should I have just given up on the turn and c/fed the river?
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10-12-2009 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by lima
well, I think that every fish who plays 1 table will realize that you bet big when you have a hand and bet small when you are bluffing...
If they notice then they're definitly not the fish at the table
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10-12-2009 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Snaaak
If they notice then they're definitly not the fish at the table
well, most regs at uNL are multi-tabling so they may not notice it...still, they should notice it if they are 2-4 tabling pretty quick and it will take us a while until we find out they noticed it and been exploiting it so I'm not sure if it's a good idea to do it in the first place...
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10-12-2009 , 01:29 PM
lima do you try to range balance also?
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10-12-2009 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mOeeOm
lima do you try to range balance also?
He thinks metagame is vital at 5nl as well.
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10-12-2009 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Spraggy
He thinks metagame is vital at 5nl as well.
so you think metagame is irrelevant at uNL? At what point do you think it starts to come into play?
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10-12-2009 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainJJ
so you think metagame is irrelevant at uNL? At what point do you think it starts to come into play?
When the fish start thinking. And when pigs fly. Not at 2NL, not at 5NL.

But seriously, lets not turn this into an flaming thread. Zilarik, dl'd and watching it later.
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10-12-2009 , 06:55 PM
lol
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10-12-2009 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RayJing
When the fish start thinking. And when pigs fly. Not at 2NL, not at 5NL.

But seriously, lets not turn this into an flaming thread. Zilarik, dl'd and watching it later.
Not flaming dude, i was seriously wondering at what point people thought it became important.

/thread hijack.
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10-12-2009 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainJJ
Not flaming dude, i was seriously wondering at what point people thought it became important.

/thread hijack.
tbh, i have come to believe that balance isn't important at all in the micros. up through 25nl. from vids ive seen and what not, it literally looks like at about 100nl is when you need to become well versed in more than just value betting. now i think that its a very good idea to learn how to squeeze, play position, hand read, assign ranges, etc. in the micro stakes cause it's cheaper and if u mess up, it only sometimes leads to you losing a decent amount of money. people can't/don't really punish you for small mistakes at all through 25nl. few and far between you'll find a reg that does, but otherwise, regs are just weak passive players generally and only go for pure value and don't even think about when/where to bluff as there is so much dead money in the pot. if you become good at seeing these spots when they're cheaper, you'll be more prepared than most regs that continue to move up and struggle in 50nl+.

balancing at micros is not important through 25nl and likely 50nl. but, learning to balance in the micros is cheaper and much easier than learning it at later stage. so, i think you should try to do it or at least know when you should be doing it (i.e. literally say to yourself, well i know i should/could balance my range here, but this guy is a 40/8 fish who folds to c-bets 30% so i shouldn't actually balance here cause ill be losing money)
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10-13-2009 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by mOeeOm
lima do you try to range balance also?
yes, when I'm playing regs
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10-13-2009 , 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Spraggy
He thinks metagame is vital at 5nl as well.
don't be an *******...I've never played 5NL or 10NL, by the way...
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10-13-2009 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by srooney3
balancing at micros is not important through 25nl and likely 50nl. but, learning to balance in the micros is cheaper and much easier than learning it at later stage. so, i think you should try to do it or at least know when you should be doing it (i.e. literally say to yourself, well i know i should/could balance my range here, but this guy is a 40/8 fish who folds to c-bets 30% so i shouldn't actually balance here cause ill be losing money)
this!

actually, balancing against fishes is usually bad, for the reason you described (losing $$)...but against regs it really doesn't hurt your winrate (it actually helps) so why not do it?
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10-13-2009 , 05:23 AM
posting so i remember to comment later
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10-13-2009 , 06:48 AM
I am gonna comment on this too in a couple of hours ( 6 probably , diff time zone )
( I only play 5NL though so this should be interested to compare my thoughts with those of you guys that are at higher stakes than me. )
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