Just 2 river spots id like some feedback on my thought process,

Villains are both zoom regs, both very capable.





I imagine pre-flop and flop are std, when he checks turn I bet because well I have 8 high, although my hand still holds reasonable equity vrs his range, is there an argument for checking cause Ill get to realise my equity, or does the EV of bluffing out weigh this argument?

River I jam as this is the worst hand I can get to the river with, and giving that my range will be polarised here, I guess this holding fits perfectly into my range as a bluff.






Once again I assume pre is std, Flop I choose to float as having 2 overs, backdoor straight and flush draws + position it seems like its got too much equity to muck, I haven't spent much time thinking of a flop raising range on these board textures in 3BP's, is there an argument for raising?

Turn Once again I choose to bet as I pretty much have the nut worst hand I can be holding in this spot, I choose the sizing($18), as at the time I thought it left me exactly a pot sized bet OTR(eff), setting up what I assumed would be a super +EV river shove.

River doesn't change anything and I have the worst hand I can get to the river with, He can't have too much 3 + 8x in his range and I block 89, from an exploitative standpoint knowing that he has to have at least an overpair to get to the river here(I think), is shoving river as a bluff spew based on how people @ low stakes do not enjoy folding?


Sorry for the rambling

can raise flop in h1, as played i wouldn't bluff twice on this runout generally. hand 2 fold flop, there's no need to float with J high and a bdfd/sd. as played i guess J9 qualifies as a bluffing hand so its ok.

In H1, Im assuming you flat all 10x? so how do you construct a raising range that isn't super semi bluff heavy? Or do you think exploitively you can get away with it?

Ive been using the worst hands I can possibly get to the river with here as bluffs, e.g my exact hand or QJ, J8s etc, by saying you wouldn't bluff twice are you saying that you have a range that "Gives up" and shows down 8 high etc on some textures?

Think he's (uncertain of correct pronoun, no offense intended, damn English) saying he just flat out doesn't bluff that runout. Do you peel 67s and 68s on hand 1? Even if you do and fire the turn with them it seems like shoving 87s would still be fine for generating correct bluffing frequencies. I still don't think you would have enough bluffs even including all those hands given the size is a shove.

And Samooth is probably right at these stakes. I've struggled for a while with these spots where you see ridiculous calls, where you know it's a linear range because the hand villain shows makes no sense in terms of blockers and its either one of two things 1) a completely oblivious fish who "has pair, could be bluff so snapcall" or 2) a reg who understands the dynamic and thinks that you don't know your own range. Either way the result is the same, your infrequent bluffs get picked off in ways that generate insanely far from equilibrium calling frequencies.

Never bluffing to me is difficult to accept as a good play vs an unknown but if there were ever a board for it I think hand one would be it at ss. But in this case vs good regs I would want a read that they think I'm not capable of properly bluffing this board because they are the ones you will actually see time bank/fold this type of river imo.

i usually don't open a raising range on this flop vs the average player i'm playing against in my current player pool, but that doesn't nec mean that opening a raising range here isn't (more) profitable. it can also be profitable as an exploit vs someone who is, say, folding to flop raises way too much. if i do decide to open that range, i'd balance it. and i think 78s is a good hand to raise flop with given we have a raising range.

when you flat flop and bet twice here, what's your riv value range? seems like K9 is the thinnest you can go here and you have no or only little overpairs in your range, right? anyway, it's gonna be heavily skewed towards trips+; a typical flatting range containing 99, T7s+, T8o+ results in 48 of these "value" combos on this board. you may end up overbluffing this spot if you take this line with a lot of straight draws (which is why i think people call you down pretty light here, they can always think of lots of hands they beat).

now, it seems obvious that we can't play bet/jam with all straight draws we call flop with. the question how we should play 78s here depends on how you play other parts of your range and villain ofc. for me, i like barreling this (!) turn better with hands that have at least one overcard. and so on..

Hand 1 is well-played. Check the turn in hand 2, but having bet you obviously have to shove the river.

Strongly disagree with this. Would need a crowbar to make me fold the flop in hand 2. Trying to pry the cards out of my hands with it wouldn't work, either. I'm saying you would literally need to beat me into a state of unconsciousness before I would fold the flop in hand 2.

What do you do on that board with Kd4d?

ok, i think i got ya ✌️

Jc9c > Kd4d here, but I find it hard to fold a pair.

Call flop. Fold turn unimproved would be my plan but I don't play HU so take it with a grain of salt.

in hand 2 assuming you would checkback turn with j9, would you now bluff any river that isnt a 8 9 or J?
do you ever turn something like k4 (like kaby posted do you even call flop with that?) you called flop with into river bluffs? or would you consider them enough showdown value?
Are you calling A3 with backdoor nut flushdraw on the flop and gutshot on the flop?