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07-20-2008 , 12:06 AM

smurg

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Have been noticing that a limp in EP and re-raise with AA has taken the pot down a lot. This way, I'm not seeing pocket pairs limp in after me because now they raise, and I re-raise to much for their odds. I figure, I could try to incorporate this move sparingly with rags for profit.

Another move that have been working well at 6max for me is the delayed c-bet. When I raise up AQs OOP and the board comes 338r, the delayed c-bet takes down more pots than the normal c-bet for me. A lot of scare cards come on the turn for them.

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07-20-2008 , 12:13 AM

kaz2107

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first one is pretty dumb imo. u r gonna get called too often and then b oop with bull**** cards for my likin. would rather just cut out the fps and grind

the 2nd is pretty standard and something u should b incorporating into ur game when u have pos

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07-20-2008 , 01:40 AM

kolotoure

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I'd rather dbl barrel then delayed c-bet tbh. I think a delayed c-bet has less fe because of lower implied threat

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07-20-2008 , 03:00 AM

jgunnip

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Originally Posted by kolotoure

I'd rather dbl barrel then delayed c-bet tbh. I think a delayed c-bet has less fe because of lower implied threat

I think against most players at low stakes a delayed cbet has more FE in some spots since they only have once chance to hit there hand instead of potentially two on the flop.

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07-20-2008 , 04:30 AM

kokiri

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i think when you raise pre, the flop comes down 338, it goes check-check, and you bet a T turn, you get called by 44, 55, 66, 77 a hell of a lot. I think the delayed cbet folds out worse unpaired overcard hands that might have called a flop bet. I don't really see why this is a good result for AQ.

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07-20-2008 , 05:20 AM

dranreb

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both situations are too player specific to be really worth much.
if you limp reraise w/ rags against a nit then you are just asking to get owned
but if the guy is a solid reg you could find folds there
and the second situation as well, if you find the guy has started given you less respect then delaying your cont bet on a scare card is good
everything is just based on your table image and your opponents
imo

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07-20-2008 , 08:51 AM

Check_The_Nuts

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Originally Posted by kolotoure

I'd rather dbl barrel then delayed c-bet tbh. I think a delayed c-bet has less fe because of lower implied threat

the implied threat is normally only 2 bets as opposed to 3 bets anyways. Pretty rare you have a hand worthy of 3 bets...

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07-20-2008 , 09:52 AM

Nemesis69

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Ow **** I'm betting TP 3 streets

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07-20-2008 , 10:13 AM

Melina Perez

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You should be aggressive enough to the point in which the first one makes no sense.

The second one works very well for me as well. I don't do it very much but I use it to mix up my play a bit. That and a double barrel turn and river is way stronger than a double barrel flop and turn.

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07-20-2008 , 11:27 AM

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Vern

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Generally I only delay c-bet against specific opponents that will call the flop with a small pair but will fold to a second barrel with it. Most of them will ignore the fact I didn't c-bet the flop and fold the turn the same if they only hold a small pp and that saves me money when they hold more than a small pp. They also don't appear to adjust and I can c-bet them when I hit and they still always call the flop bet with the under pair. Again, opponent specific and not that common, but I have come across a couple already this week that I put that note on them.

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07-20-2008 , 12:01 PM

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DWarrior

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Isn't it better to db that board on a scare card than delay c-bet as standard play?

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07-20-2008 , 12:42 PM

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SkyFrostSalvo

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I've noticed that alot of people lately are using the limp UTG followed by reraise all-in play. Either this is becoming a more popular line for monsters or short stacks have learned how to use it to bluff - probably both.

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07-20-2008 , 02:05 PM

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avfletch

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If you know they are going to call with a small PP then fold to the turn bet don't you want to be cbetting the flop so you take down a bigger pot on the turn?

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07-20-2008 , 03:24 PM

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kokiri

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Originally Posted by SkyFrostSalvo

above about 50BB, limp-reraise/push is scary - AA, KK almost never AK.
for about 30BB or fewer, it's a much wider range in my experience. I think the thought process runs something like 'i wanna see a flop with my K8s... oh he's raised, bastard! Oh well, he probably doesnt have much, i'll push him off the hand...oh crap he called... w00t, i hit my 8, eat that D0nk!"

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