i folded cause i didnt have enough info on him
earlier in the match he was making some weird donk raises like i bet 60 he pops it to 560 etc. few hands later he made large overbet with trips which i paid off, but the more i think about this hand the more i think i was better..

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $11.00+$0.50 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) (t1445)
SB (t1555)

Hero's M: 19.27

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, 5
Hero raises to t100, SB calls t50

Flop: (t200) 2, 3, 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t125, SB calls t125

Turn: (t450) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (t450) 4 (2 players)
SB bets t1330 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: t450

Results:
SB didn't show
Outcome: SB won t450

Well...

It's kind of stupid to try and place him on an exact hand and it's very hard to place a random villain on an accurate or thin range here.

He could be doing this with anything from total air sensing weakness in your turn check, to near nut hands like 2 pair, sets, backdoor straights and Qx.

If you're going to try and tell yourself this is a call then i think you need to take into consideration the size of the pot in relation to the strength of your hand. The two do not correlate.

If he is going to make moves like this then that's fine. We'll just wait for a better hand to pick him off with. Say we find ourselves in the same situation later on in the match and he has continued to spew, i would advocate a call with an 8 and stuff like that.

But there's not enough evidence based on a few wacky raises to call a bet for this amount with full stacks.

Also c-bet the flop for more. I like 140-160 here, max that value out.

Good post, French_Kido. I think 160 is too much to cbet here, but I agree that 125 is a little too small.
Also, isn't bet/folding turn and checking river behind better in spots like these?

Yeah 160 is the higher end of the value grabbing.

I defo agree with you and i like that line spamz0r.

The only problem i have with it is when villain c/c c/c leads. Then we're playing out a pot for like an extra bet that we didn't instigate and all we have is 3rd pair and probably odds to call

Whereas if we c-bet, check and then assess the river betting we are reducing/controlling the pot size by the single bet on the turn. If he leads this river for pot i can still find a fold, but i'd probably call smaller bets and check it back if the oppurtunity arises.

But yeah it is a nice line the only query i have with it is when we end up putting an extra bet into the pot as a result on the river.

I also think villains line is really uncommon. You defo see them bet this river big as a bluff but the shove is unxpected.

I haven't really experienced that much c/c c/c donk type of villains tbh, barely at all. I think his range on the flop is really big to be calling, like almost 80% of his preflop calls imo. He floats with any ace, most kings, defenitly two overcards, probably a gutshot like 64/65 or openender (45). If he has the 8, he's probably raising the flop since his pair is quite vulnerable (and most bad villains know at least THAT). The Q isn't that good of a card, since villain can easily have like QJ/QT/Q9/Q3/Q2, but if he has it, we're going to find out rather fast if we bet the turn.
On the other hand, if he doesn't have the Q, it might've helped him pick up a gutshot with J9/JT/T9 and if he's really bad, he may check/call once more and we can check river behind.

All in all, I think betting turn is better, since calling river bets is more or less a lottery without any type of reads/notes, and c/c c/c donk is too uncommon to be afraid of. His range on the flop is just too big imo, we're ahead way over 50% of the time on the turn.

Yeah actually i agree with you there and i think in game i would actually find myself doing that a lot more. The fact that most 8's get raised on the flop actually makes this an easy card to DB.

Although i do it with intention to b/f so i don't bet too big on the turn because the bet sizing more or less accomplishes the same thing here (information) as long as it is like half pot. I know we're not betting purely for information but to protect our hand and get value from worse hands, but i think if we intend to b/f then a smaller bet is preferential.

And yeah the c/c c/c donk is really uncommon but i was just talking out scenarios more than anything.

I actually prefer b/f turn. Thanks spamz0r.

that is the type of answer i was looking for,

was never actually considering calling, but wanted to know if i could play the hand better through the streets - and knowing(more or less) his possible range always helps me choose the bet amount

i agree about cbet, now i think that i should have fired turn also and if called fold river
ive experienced spots like this only a few times during playing and in case of bad players it is often a missed draws turned into a bluff, but sometimes also weird made nuts like A5, 56, 44

anyway i think that i should work more on my betting, cause its causing lot of trouble recently,

thanks for your answers