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11.5 HUSNG - Rivered boat versus Aggrotard 11.5 HUSNG - Rivered boat versus Aggrotard

10-02-2009 , 11:38 AM
This is the 2nd match; villain in first match basically 3-bet like 4-5x my raise 100% of the time and when I finally shoved over with A8os he miraculously showed up with ATos. So I click "accept" he declines and I sit another match and he sits there. Well he stopped 3-betting and then this hand occurs:

Full Tilt Poker $11 + $0.50 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): t1695 M = 37.67
BB: t1305 M = 29

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with 9 Q
Hero raises to t60, BB calls t30

Flop: (t120) 2 Q J (2 players)
BB bets t120, Hero calls t120

Turn: (t360) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t360) 8 (2 players)
BB bets t360, Hero calls t360

Villains shows 74os

Which leads to this hand like 1-2 hands later

Full Tilt Poker $11 + $0.50 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BB): t2355 M = 39.25
BTN/SB: t645 M = 10.75

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BB with 4 3
BTN/SB calls t20, Hero checks

Flop: (t80) Q K K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

Turn: (t80) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

River: (t80) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t605 all in, Hero calls

Standard?
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10-02-2009 , 11:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 11t

Full Tilt Poker $11 + $0.50 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BB): t2355 M = 39.25
BTN/SB: t645 M = 10.75

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BB with 4 3
BTN/SB calls t20, Hero checks

Flop: (t80) Q K K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

Turn: (t80) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

River: (t80) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t605 all in, Hero calls

Standard?
hmmm.. ever heard for a theorem that nobody ever folded a full house?
what's tricky here is that except pocket two's, every other pocket pair, Kx, and Qx beats you so... imo it's not a snap call.
also, he made bet of T$605 to win pot of T$80, which is dumb - unless he has pretty strong hand..
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10-02-2009 , 12:00 PM
uh fold?
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10-02-2009 , 01:16 PM
You need to be sure he's bluffing here more than 87.5% to make this call profitable, even against an aggrotard I want better odds. Fold, plenty of better spots against droolers like that
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10-02-2009 , 01:19 PM
i do think he's capable of making a ****** move like this, however, if he wanted to bluff, he wouldve done it on previous streets imo
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10-02-2009 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Radeh
You need to be sure he's bluffing here more than 87.5% to make this call profitable, even against an aggrotard I want better odds. Fold, plenty of better spots against droolers like that
nah i didnt do the math but it's gonna be something like 45%. can't ever be over 50.
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10-02-2009 , 02:06 PM
Airportmathaments on the iPhone, I'd still fold though. Spamz makes a good point, an aggrotard would have bluffed earlier with pure air
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10-02-2009 , 04:01 PM
I think you need to look at what he did throughout the hand. When he bluffed, he bet on the flop and bet again on the river. Here he checked it IP twice. Usually people change their play when they hit a monster because they think they are disguising their hand when actually they tip you off. If he would have bet flop and bet turn then I would call this but I'm not calling this river shove after 2 checks. It just doesn't add up to be weak IMO. Plus if he does this with air then when you actually have a good hand you can snap-call fist pump.
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10-02-2009 , 07:35 PM
Why not lead the river for some value? You can certainly get called by Ax or Jx, and while it sounds like villain has a propensity to bluff pre- and on the flop, we don't know that about the river yet.

As played, the ridiculous overshove makes me want to fold this. We need to be ~47% this is a bluff, and against a player this bad it's possible they're just playing Qx, Kx, or a PP > 3s like the idiot they are.
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10-02-2009 , 07:39 PM
If he's bluffing, let him have it (especially since you're losing to some of his low pair bluffs). You still have a big chip advantage and can certainly find a better spot, most likely within the next two or three hands.
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10-04-2009 , 06:06 AM
def calling river,we know villain can def bluff the river with air given the 1st hand posted.

i imagine villain is bluffing here a high % of the time or even thinks he is value betting A high,of the times we snap off his bluffs we pocket the buy-in,of the times we get value towned we still have the chip lead against a spewy villain we have a huge edge over.
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