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11-13-2013 , 05:07 AM

MMSS

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 4,680

Villain is an unknown

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

BTN: $25.15 (251.5 bb)
SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10.85 (108.5 bb)
UTG: $9.90 (99 bb)
Hero (MP): $13.36 (133.6 bb)
CO: $10.63 (106.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 6

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.30, CO folds, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.75) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, BTN raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.40

River: ($2.35) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.50, Hero folds

I'm not sure I like betting the turn nor do I think I like calling the turn raise. Opinions?

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11-13-2013 , 05:23 AM

KP24

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I think the problem is preflop here, this looks really wide to open in MP to me.

Depending on his fold to cbet I would perhaps bet at the flop but I am not putting much more money in. He dominates us so much here.

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11-13-2013 , 05:28 AM

BornToRun

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Fold pre.

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11-13-2013 , 05:29 AM

MMSS

Pooh-Bah

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@KP24 - Ye, it is a bit wide but it is literally the bottom of my range in this spot and I don't usually open it.

Basically I'm hoping people say check turn and fold to the raise. Which I'm pretty sure is spot on but it's nice to get reasurrance. Against a normal size raise I have no trouble folding here.

edit - If this thread is just going to be fold pre you may aswell close and lock it now. Some information on what people think villains likely range on different streets would be nice, giving me borderline useless information about preflop isn't going to help me that much.

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11-13-2013 , 05:40 AM

BornToRun

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Definitely not borderline useless, your range is more important than villains. If you have a hand in it that shouldn't be there, for some unknown reason that you haven't told us, and don't explain what else is in your range in this spot, then it makes giving any other kind of advice useless.

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11-13-2013 , 06:20 AM

MMSS

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Originally Posted by BornToRun

It doesn't because you have no idea what my range is in spots anyway. The most likely reason I opened 68s from MP is because I thought I was in the CO. So if you want we can play pretend and say I opened from the CO.

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11-13-2013 , 06:30 AM

BornToRun

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If I have no idea of your range then how can I analyse the hand?

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11-13-2013 , 09:33 AM

TWhelan

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Pre can be fine occasionally. Not terrible imo.

Checking turn is probably good. I think as played I would call the minraise and call river but not happy about it. Just hard for villain to have many 3x and a ton of draws/better pairs than us will bet the flop.

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11-13-2013 , 10:44 AM

Deeepz

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Cb flop
As played x turn
As played fold turn
As played fold river

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11-13-2013 , 11:24 AM

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MMSS

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What do we think villains range is like when he min raises turn though?

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11-13-2013 , 11:39 AM

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KP24

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Why is it hard for villain to have any 3x? I only ask as we know nothing about him at all. I take it he shouldn't have any 3x here then (probably as he did not bet flop right?)? I also appreciate his range could be a lot wider too making call ott ok.

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11-13-2013 , 11:54 AM

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Reemix

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flop check makes sense if you think he's raising your cbet a lot. Vs unknown I'd fire a cbet. It has so many benefits eg. folding out his overcards, getting him to float overcards, getting him to call draws, maybe he calls 77 and checks down.

as played turn bet has some merits but c/c is better to let him stab. When he checks back flop he doesn't have Tx or better and he probably bets 99 and 8x too so his beting range ott shouldn't be strong.

when he minraises turn he is so rarely bluffing there that folding is fine. Hard to guess his range since he plays it so weird. He can have 3x, Tx, slowplayed set. Doubt he is bluffing but possible ofc.

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11-13-2013 , 11:56 AM

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MMSS

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Originally Posted by KP24

It's very very unlikely villain has any 3x in his range.

Also it isn't so much his range being wide on the turn it's his range being polarised. For example very very rarely would an unknown villain have 77 here but he could have a large amount of bluffs thinking I'm FOS.

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03-17-2014 , 04:10 AM

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DJAbacus

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Never open 68s from MP again..

Last edited by DJAbacus; 03-17-2014 at 04:27 AM.

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