His flop bet seems big. Pre I think he can flat AKs IP rather than 4bet but people are 4bet bluffing these days,less likely UTG prob but dont think his range is only AA and KK 100% of the time.

Should we be shoving flop when he bets that big? Turn if it falls no spade, A or K we have to call off if we call flop? Third spade is an easy bluff card tho. Feel handcuffed here.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $26.15 (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 60)
Hero (SB): $23.41
BB: $7.29 (VPIP: 16.39, PFR: 11.48, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 63)
UTG: $11.71 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
MP: $14.69 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
CO: $5.72 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to $0.35, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.10, fold, UTG raises to $2.65, Hero calls $1.55

Flop: ($5.40, 2 players) J 6 8
Hero checks, UTG bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

Turn: ($12.40, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, UTG bets $5.56 and is all-in, fold

Ugh... pre is fine

I do not like just calling on flop. V creates a terrible SPR which pretty much confirms he's shoving turn so you either have to raise flop or fold imo. Calling is spew.

Flop looks like a fold. We're behind AKss and AJss lol.

I would only call pre against UTG propably very nitty.
Calling 4-bet oop is like setiming and hope for some AK that you beat.
If you want to Play like this, also then his range has to be at least QQ+,AK but i wouldnt 4-bet QQ and i wouldnt 4-bet AK here of Course.
After that al is how you think his range is after his flopbet, i cant say on average here, really difficult but UTG 4-bets are stronger then normal, maybe some obv fish has not difference and 4-bets TT,JJ but then shove.
You have to know the average 4-bet range from UTG at the site, it is QQ+,AK tighter or loser against SB or BB 3-bet ?

If you think his range is most KK+ this is a pre fold, you have to Discount at least some AK and propably more then added JJ,TT or 4-bet bluffs.

idk what you are doing...

GII pre
fold pre
GII flop


Any one of those is better than the way you played it.

This is two street hand, it's over the by the flop....always.

lol your maths...try including the money in the pot in your calculations.

What's your argument for flatting pre oop? You're just calling bc you're afraid of KK+? Then simply fold. You believe he has a wider range? GII. Villain's 4bet sizing stinks of KK+. He's kind of unknown but doesn't seem too loose. He may have some bluff combos but I'd still fold pre.

If I was to continue and had a read that he had a 4b bluffing range I'd continue by calling
Turn would depend on that 4bet bluffing range and what it consists of
Also helps if you see villain flat AKs/KK here before

I'd prob just fold to the 4b without reads